Westwood

[Aluaka]

If the game he has been banned for has no credibility he has not been banned, simples. A club game with points at stake or a cup game with knock out should qualify, or a WC game but a friendly where there was no guarantee he would have been picked anyway is extracting the urine.

I agree

[Kaii]

Tbh none of the England games should count and this should be a punishment against Wire & Westwood only. I have tickets for England vs Australia, England vs Ireland and the World Cup Final so far so i want our best players to be available. Winning the World Cup should be the priority.

As for justice for Blake Green i think being a Challenge Cup winner, Harry Sunderland winner looking down at his Grand Final winners ring is all he cares about at the moment

[Kittwazzer]

Tbh none of the England games should count and this should be a punishment against Wire & Westwood only. I have tickets for England vs Australia, England vs Ireland and the World Cup Final so far so i want our best players to be available. Winning the World Cup should be the priority.

As for justice for Blake Green i think being a Challenge Cup winner, Harry Sunderland winner looking down at his Grand Final winners ring is all he cares about at the moment

I'd go with that completely. Out of interest, if a British ear biter copped a lengthy ban in Oz, would that rule him out of the World Cup?

[Second Row]

Rules is rules
15.1(b)
intentional -clenched fist - intent to make contact with head Grade D-F
other factors, causing injury, previous record.

I rest the case .
The committee avoided the issue and freed him to play for England he has not been punished other than the £300 fine

[Owd Codger]

How can a deliberate and imo a pre meditated punch get only a one match ban and be classed the same punishment as a player trowing a punch in the heat of the moment?

Should have got the maximum 2 matches and even that would be too low.

However, surely if a player is suspended following a incident in a club game, the suspension should be served in a club game. Likewise, if a player is suspended following a incident in a International, the suspension serve in a International game.

[markill]

surely if a player is suspended following a incident in a club game, the suspension should be served in a club game. Likewise, if a player is suspended following a incident in a International, the suspension serve in a International game.

I don't think so. I think RL has it right and football has it wrong. The punishment should not depend on the competition, the punishment is for the player, the player is the one in control of his actions, not the club. The player deserves to be punished, missing internationals is a bi punishment...of course, you'd need to start appropriately handing out sanctions for it to be a real punishment

[keptinthedarkfans]

surely if a player is suspended following a incident in a club game, the suspension should be served in a club game. Likewise, if a player is suspended following a incident in a International, the suspension serve in a International game.

I don't think so. I think RL has it right and football has it wrong. The punishment should not depend on the competition, the punishment is for the player, the player is the one in control of his actions, not the club. The player deserves to be punished, missing internationals is a bi punishment...of course, you'd need to start appropriately handing out sanctions for it to be a real punishment

Sorry Mark don't agree.The club /coaching are responsible for the player when he is on the pitch and if they had stringent fines or disciplinary measures players would think twice before acting like a thug.

[markill]

surely if a player is suspended following a incident in a club game, the suspension should be served in a club game. Likewise, if a player is suspended following a incident in a International, the suspension serve in a International game.

I don't think so. I think RL has it right and football has it wrong. The punishment should not depend on the competition, the punishment is for the player, the player is the one in control of his actions, not the club. The player deserves to be punished, missing internationals is a bi punishment...of course, you'd need to start appropriately handing out sanctions for it to be a real punishment

Sorry Mark don't agree.The club /coaching are responsible for the player when he is on the pitch and if they had stringent fines or disciplinary measures players would think twice before acting like a thug.

I agree that clubs/coaches have some responsibility to set the right culture, but you can't take ultimate responsibility for actions away from players themselves.

What if a player moves clubs? Is the ban expunged? What if a new coaching regime comes in and changes the culture of a club - are old bans now ignored?

The way I see it, an element of what you're suggesting is the clubs should do the disciplinary dealings with a player, not an independent body like the RFL referees and disciplinary board. (we could argue about how independent they actually are, but we know its more so than clubs/coaches would be.) That for me is the logical extension to you saying the clubs/coaches are responsible for what the players go out and do and should sanction them to prevent them going out and doing it in the first place.

Individuals make their own decisions, good or bad. Westwood chose to swing his arm towards a defenseless player on the ground. Tony Smith and Simon Moran didn't do it. Even if they had told him to do it, he still didn't have to do it. Even if they had incentivised the player to do it, he would take some responsibility and they would be dealt with separately for their indiscretions (I'm thinking the bountygate scandal in the NFL as an example of where this happened, I'm not suggesting Warrington players were actually told to hit people on the floor).

[devon jim 1]

I agree with Whelley Warrior re punishment and Mark for 'incentivised' try'incited'. Much easier to spell for me at least

[thegimble]

surely if a player is suspended following a incident in a club game, the suspension should be served in a club game. Likewise, if a player is suspended following a incident in a International, the suspension serve in a International game.

I don't think so. I think RL has it right and football has it wrong. The punishment should not depend on the competition, the punishment is for the player, the player is the one in control of his actions, not the club. The player deserves to be punished, missing internationals is a bi punishment...of course, you'd need to start appropriately handing out sanctions for it to be a real punishment

Sorry Mark don't agree.The club /coaching are responsible for the player when he is on the pitch and if they had stringent fines or disciplinary measures players would think twice before acting like a thug.

Even better if the Ref had sent Westwood off in the first place. The disciplinary process in league has been in the main this season very good. This is the worst one of all and given that England need him he would otherwise miss 4 games next season.

It once again shows that the RFL has a diregard for SL.