Andy Farrell's loyalties

[platt-warrior]

I am mystified how people IMO misunderstand loyalty, an incredibly over used misrepresented word IMO. In sport there is no such thing from either the employer / employees and nor should there be.

If I asked fans about Lockers they would throw in this word loyalty 99.9% of the time YET I once had Lockers in a school during the Millward / relegation debacle and we asked him if Wigan are relegated will you leave. He said yes. I cannot think of a 'more loyal' player BUT his first and ONLY true loyalty is to HIMSELF and HIS FAMILY.

I once worked for a council education sector where I was piggy in the middle between two groups at loggerheads. I did what I felt was right, right for a child but one of group members who seemed to gain from my decision, said to me a day or two later thankyou for your loyalty, it will not be forgotten. I simply said it was never about loyalty it was about doing the right thing.

LOYALTY is bullshit cliche. Nothing more

You owe past employees NOTHING and they owe you NOTHING.

I always remember a near retirement colleague when I was wet behind the ears rookie saying never forget whomever you are, the day you walk out of that door for the last time you will be history, forgotten beyond occasional anecdotes.

For those of you who believe in loyalty and work in such a factory setting, go to your employer and say money is a bit tight, can you give me some overtime. The answer? When said employer is struggling to meet a deadline what is their attitude to overtime and expecting you to avert their problem? Is that the loyalty you all think about / know.

Loyalty = Who your employer is now not last week, a year ago or even a decade ago. Only loyalty we can excpect is from a player whilst we pay him.

Works both ways,it,s a business. :conf:

[TrueBlueWarrior]

I agree with everything CP said in his post regarding loyalty, good read.

[phild1]

loyalties==paymaster andy's paymaster was wigan rl he did a great job whilst employed by wigan.when he changed jobs he has a fresh paymaster in the union game and as I would expect he is doing a good job for his money.i have been retired 18years after 31years with the same firm,i suppose the loyalty between myself and my old firm comes in the form of my works pension dropping in my bank every month:bless em

[devon jim 1]

We are told -

'LOYALTY is a bullshit cliche. Nothing more'(CP)

Whilst Markill(no'h') informs us it's a Romantic notion. I can't see anything romantic about an alleged 'bulldhit cliche'.You live and learn

[cpwigan]

One of the most interesting aspect of 'loyalty' in team sports is how you are towards one another. I would like to think one of my greatest strengths as a captain was treating everybody in that team the same/equal. Team harmony and unity is a huge factor in success IMO. Before 'loyalty' I think. Helping the new guy settle and feel he belonged whether young or old was/is a key IMO. I had some strange events in sport where I would be inflicting sporting GBH on people one week and then a week or two later playing in a rep team even captaining them when I was the minority and they were several. Sport is an odd creature then so am I (I guess )

[cpwigan]

I would add that loyalty is different at a professional / amateur level IMO

[yokozuna]

He is obviously loyal. He won us the Challenge Cup this season!

[devon jim 1]

One of the most interesting aspect of 'loyalty' in team sports is how you are towards one another. I would like to think one of my greatest strengths as a captain was treating everybody in that team the same/equal. Team harmony and unity is a huge factor in success IMO. Before 'loyalty' I think. Helping the new guy settle and feel he belonged whether young or old was/is a key IMO. I had some strange events in sport where I would be inflicting sporting GBH on people one week and then a week or two later playing in a rep team even captaining them when I was the minority and they were several. Sport is an odd creature then so am I (I guess )

At last the CP I like shows thro, Seemingly now glossing over him summarily dismissing loyalty as a 'bullshit cliche and postulating what I understand and agree with is loyalty as a concept having various aspects one of which he outlines above.You have been playing with us you little divil.(not mis-spelt my attempt at Wiganese

[cpwigan]

I think the problem is Jim everything gets grouped together under this word 'loyalty' which is then abused and misrepresented particularly when such a notion can / cannot operate at a multitude of levels. That is the 'bull' element.

Employer / employee loyalty is certainly 'bull' To be honest once money becomes involved then 'anything and everything' is on a slippery slope in terms of qualities.

A classic RL example is when a club threatens to fold, Wakey; Bradford; Salford where IMO loyalty becomes such an abused term.

[WiganShark]

Well for my two penny's worth IMHO loyalty is about the team you are in be it in a playing squad or "The Club" Take teams like England in the RL WC their loyalty will be to the England team and the overall squad. The British and Irish lions is another fine example and is probably quite unique in sporting terms. For the time they are together they will die for the team and the squad.
Responsibility however is connected to oneself ones family and should come first. I don't doubt Faz Snr loves Wigan Rugby and would do all he could for Wigan where possible like turning up at the Challenge cup. At the grand final Faz was in South Africa with Stuart Lancaster watching the All Blacks against the Spingboks and probably thinking OMG do we have to play against this lot...which for those who didn't see it was probably one of the most intense and acclaimed as one of the best international games ever.