Re: Hansen

Exiled Wiganer · Post by **Exiled Wiganer** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:28 pm

I see what you mean now - I was being a bit slow. I thought the point was to do with his being underpaid. We took a view on the relative value of the players in the squad, which we have to do all the time. I may or may not agree with the club's evaluation, but they have far more information than I have and have a fantastic recent track record. We are showing some loyalty to him by letting him go now with the prospect of earning more money, and wishing him all the best.
I just don't see how our decision not to extend his contract constitutes a lack of loyalty. I would always want and expect the club to weigh up the relative value of the players within the squad and act accordingly.

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:45 pm

To me loyalty cuts both ways. 10 years service amounted to nothing but at best we want you to go a season early, sod your testimonial, we can get 20K whatever for you. I see that as Sod you and there is no place for loyalty in sport / business.

H fortunately will get a better deal at Salford and in the short term Wigan RLFC / Wigan fans lose out BUT what opinion will H have of Wigan RLFC re his departure or better still later in life when he is having repeated surgery on his wrist or suffering arthritis etc?

Wigan RLFC should be about CLASS IMO!

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:47 pm

Here is a big ? Why are Wigan RLFC AFRAID to publish what transfer fees they receive. Bollocks confidentiality garbage, strikes me we are AFRAID to be TRUTHFUL!

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:49 pm

I just hope Wigan Fans give H a huge welcome when he strides next onto the DW! and that Pollard/Wane/Radlinski hide away!

shaunedwardsfanclub · Post by **shaunedwardsfanclub** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:43 pm

DaveO wrote:We need a new chairman, one with bigger pockets than IL.

Wave a cheque book and IL will sell. He obviously can't resist even the likes of Salford never mind the NRL

Charnely next? Why not? He's one of the few class players we have left.

It's been open season on our players since IL got here.

I am sure someone will say look we won two trophies last season but that was WITH Hansen, Mossop and Sam T all plying key roles in the victories.

In Hock and Hansen Salford have a better 2nd row that us next season if not the best in the league.

Mid table mediocrity, here we come.

I think that it is a tad unfair to put all the blame on IFL - Rads, Waney and possibly Harris need to carry the can as well. I assume that they all agreed on the move, if they didn't then they can only be considered as 'yes' men which is no good for the club long-term. If things go pear shaped then Waney will find his neck in the noose as IFL will always say that he has supported the coach with the decisions he has made.

Having said all that, if Wigan are successful then they will all have been vindicated.

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:01 pm

mickw wrote:
cpwigan wrote: I just hope Wigan Fans give H a huge welcome when he strides next onto the DW! and that Pollard/Wane/Radlinski hide away!
I don't think there will be a problem with H getting a great reception,Wigan fans have always been very generous in that regard,as regards Ian potter Ian was a players player as is H but were we a worse side once he,d left ? I don't think we were.

IIRC we replaced Potter with Ian Roberts albeit he played mainly prop, Rob Louw and the likes of Dennis Betts / Ian Gildart who had been given lots of time to develop, Andy Platt was initially played as a second rower, Hanley had been signed and was moved into Loose Forward AND YET POTTER was still being selected right up to his departure in 1988 when he virtually retired soon after at an age a few years beyond 28 IIRC

butt monkey · Post by **butt monkey** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:34 pm

I seriously do not understand the "fuss". If it is to be believed and that contracts are practically worthless once a player decides he wants to move, then loyalty is non-existent both ways, full stop!

I'm not saying Hansen would have signed any deal offered, but neither can anyone on here say that if it had become a bidding war for his services with Salford then Wigan would have been able to offer more than Salford in wages. Perhaps the club knew this and simply used the one year option before the player left, but Salford returned with a cash deal to prize him loose. Hansen gets paid what he feels he is worth and Wigan get some money in return.

Lets be realistic, this player could have left for nothing and there was and is nothing to have prevented that. You can talk whatever rubbish about SC etc, but the simple fact is as far as the cap is concerned Koukash has all ready stated on national media that he IS prepared to break the cap. "If" (and all this conjecture is a big if as people keep forgetting it is Brian Noble we are on about here) they finish top and then are found to have broken the cap and get deducted points, then who will have the final laugh?

Kittwazzer · Post by **Kittwazzer** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:14 pm

butt monkey wrote:I seriously do not understand the "fuss". If it is to be believed and that contracts are practically worthless once a player decides he wants to move, then loyalty is non-existent both ways, full stop!

I'm not saying Hansen would have signed any deal offered, but neither can anyone on here say that if it had become a bidding war for his services with Salford then Wigan would have been able to offer more than Salford in wages. Perhaps the club knew this and simply used the one year option before the player left, but Salford returned with a cash deal to prize him loose. Hansen gets paid what he feels he is worth and Wigan get some money in return.

Lets be realistic, this player could have left for nothing and there was and is nothing to have prevented that. You can talk whatever rubbish about SC etc, but the simple fact is as far as the cap is concerned Koukash has all ready stated on national media that he IS prepared to break the cap. "If" (and all this conjecture is a big if as people keep forgetting it is Brian Noble we are on about here) they finish top and then are found to have broken the cap and get deducted points, then who will have the final laugh?

Fair points but I can envisage a scenario which only ends in tears. Koukash takes a stand against RFL re Salary Cap and comes off second best. He sticks up 2 fingers and walks away taking his wallet with him. Does anyone know enough about this man to say it will not happen? He is not a Lenegan or a McManus. Neither Salford nor Rugby League are in his blood!

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:58 pm

butt monkey wrote:I seriously do not understand the "fuss". If it is to be believed and that contracts are practically worthless once a player decides he wants to move, then loyalty is non-existent both ways, full stop!

I'm not saying Hansen would have signed any deal offered, but neither can anyone on here say that if it had become a bidding war for his services with Salford then Wigan would have been able to offer more than Salford in wages. Perhaps the club knew this and simply used the one year option before the player left, but Salford returned with a cash deal to prize him loose. Hansen gets paid what he feels he is worth and Wigan get some money in return.

Lets be realistic, this player could have left for nothing and there was and is nothing to have prevented that. You can talk whatever rubbish about SC etc, but the simple fact is as far as the cap is concerned Koukash has all ready stated on national media that he IS prepared to break the cap. "If" (and all this conjecture is a big if as people keep forgetting it is Brian Noble we are on about here) they finish top and then are found to have broken the cap and get deducted points, then who will have the final laugh?

H could have been tied down long before the Dr even surfaced IF Wigan had wanted to and I would surmise on favourable terms to Wigan RLFC. Remember, you are a top 2nd rower / a senior player at Wigan RLFC and watching as Greg Burke gets a new contract, as Liam Farrell get a superb lengthy contract extension YET no interest is shown your way. The Dr enters the scene, your agent would not be doing his job is he did not alert you to 1) You are in demand and 2) You will be offered a better / lengthier contract elsewhere.

H has been loyal to Wigan, been a model pro in his time and never shown an inkling to walk away from his contract OR demand a transfer DESPITE probably feeling that IL & Co are treating him like crap! and taking the P

Do we need 20,000 or 30,000 or an established, model pro, leader for a season or more?

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:59 pm

The Dr to the best of anybody's knowledge has not broken the cap and it is now a 'live' cap. A lot of the early posturing was just that.