Panchitta Marra wrote:
Based on last seasons form I would have thought Daz wasn't too far off international consideration, but this season is no comparison to last year. As you say he is behind a fit Thornley, Gelling and Sarginson.
Really? I don't think he is behind any of them. They all have their positive attributes but none of them are as complete a centre as Goulding is IMO. Gelling and runs himself into the ground can be make the breaks, so can Thornley but neither are great ball in hand or a wingers centre. Sarginson has good footwork but I honestly don't think he as a clue as to what being a centre is all about.
Whats your thoughts on Sarginson's best playing position.
I don't think he has got one. He's a utility player but if I had to pick one position I'd say full back. He's been a half back before and as FB that comes in handy and he doesn't have to think of his winger as a centre does.
The reason I said Daz was behind Iain, Gells and Sarg is because that's what the team selection has suggested. How much has been down to Daz carrying an injury I don’t know.
In the absence of first choice players would you select Sarg ahead of Rocky at full back and also select Sam Powell ahead of Rocky in the halves.
I am a big Goulding fan and I guess some people have been watching different games to me to come out with some of their comments. He made some errors on Thursday night missing tackles and dropping balls but s*1t happens sometimes.
josie andrews wrote:How callous some of our 'fans' are
Yet its ok for fans to slag off Jordan James, Dennis Moran etc, Sorry but if we can't chastise fans when they deserve it then we should NOT praise them when they are doing good, you can't have it one way rather than the other :eusa7:
Don't quote me Meds, I haven't slagged anyone off :exc:
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
josie andrews wrote:How callous some of our 'fans' are
Yet its ok for fans to slag off Jordan James, Dennis Moran etc, Sorry but if we can't chastise fans when they deserve it then we should NOT praise them when they are doing good, you can't have it one way rather than the other :eusa7:
Don't quote me Meds, I haven't slagged anyone off :exc:
I never said you did, should have put They instead of You in that last bit, Sorry Josie
medlocke wrote:
Yet its ok for fans to slag off Jordan James, Dennis Moran etc, Sorry but if we can't chastise fans when they deserve it then we should NOT praise them when they are doing good, you can't have it one way rather than the other :eusa7:
Don't quote me Meds, I haven't slagged anyone off :exc:
I never said you did, should have put They instead of You in that last bit, Sorry Josie
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Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
Goulding certainly isn't showing his best this year for whatever reason. That would be why the club have to make a decision on him. Is it a dip in form our a decline in his powers? Is there more value in keeping him or keeping others? These are questions they should be asking.
Personally I think it's form and an extended run with Josh back outside and learning to trust Bateman and Smith more inside him would see him up his hand again, but then he isn't anything other than above average at his best I'm afraid. Not that I'm saying that isn't good enough, you can't have 13 world class players so better above average than average or below. I won't lose too much sleep either way with Goulding and wish him well whatever happens.
markill wrote:Personally I think it's form and an extended run with Josh back outside and learning to trust Bateman and Smith more inside him would see him up his hand again, but then he isn't anything other than above average at his best I'm afraid. Not that I'm saying that isn't good enough, you can't have 13 world class players so better above average than average or below. I won't lose too much sleep either way with Goulding and wish him well whatever happens.
Why are you saying he should learn to trust Bateman and Smith? They have been at fault for far more of the tries on the right than Goulding has by not sliding and numbering up as they should.
markill wrote:Personally I think it's form and an extended run with Josh back outside and learning to trust Bateman and Smith more inside him would see him up his hand again, but then he isn't anything other than above average at his best I'm afraid. Not that I'm saying that isn't good enough, you can't have 13 world class players so better above average than average or below. I won't lose too much sleep either way with Goulding and wish him well whatever happens.
Why are you saying he should learn to trust Bateman and Smith? They have been at fault for far more of the tries on the right than Goulding has by not sliding and numbering up as they should.
I think the numbering up has been further inside with middles not picking the right side of the ruck to go to and (particularly early doors) Bowen not directing the defence very well from full back. But I you know why I said that, because Goulding has jumped out of the line quite a lot this season rather than trusting Bateman or Smith to stay with their man and make a tackle. I don't disagree the whole side needs to work better but Goulding needs to stop running into no man's land.
I'm not sure there has always been an overlap before he has come in though Cherry. I'm not a Goulding basher by the way, I just don't think he is getting it right in attack or defence this year. However, if cap/money wasn't an issue I really wouldn't want him to leave.
markill wrote:I think the numbering up has been further inside with middles not picking the right side of the ruck to go to and (particularly early doors) Bowen not directing the defence very well from full back. But I you know why I said that, because Goulding has jumped out of the line quite a lot this season rather than trusting Bateman or Smith to stay with their man and make a tackle. I don't disagree the whole side needs to work better but Goulding needs to stop running into no man's land.
When facing a big overlap the defender has to rush out. There's little point sliding when the team already have the numbers because any good defence will be moving forward and won't be able to change direction quick enough to keep up with the attacking side. You're relying on the opposing team messing up an opportunity under no pressure.
By rushing out you hope to force the passing player to rush the pass and misplace it or hope to distract the receiver so he can't gather it.
It's basically the difference between trying to force an error and just hoping for one.
Then there's the fact that Goulding is often having to switch man at the last second. An overlap that's created well will have runners coming in on an angle and when Goulding or any other centre has to take that man instead of their opposite number they have to quickly cut inside to take it out. There's no option but to take the runner nearest to the ball but any good angled run will ensure that defender cannot recover to slide across.
Whenever there's an overlap the halfback/centre/winger will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Correct. The problem is some people dont understand how defensive systems work and are too quick to try and find a scapegoat.
markill wrote:I think the numbering up has been further inside with middles not picking the right side of the ruck to go to and (particularly early doors) Bowen not directing the defence very well from full back. But I you know why I said that, because Goulding has jumped out of the line quite a lot this season rather than trusting Bateman or Smith to stay with their man and make a tackle. I don't disagree the whole side needs to work better but Goulding needs to stop running into no man's land.
When facing a big overlap the defender has to rush out. There's little point sliding when the team already have the numbers because any good defence will be moving forward and won't be able to change direction quick enough to keep up with the attacking side. You're relying on the opposing team messing up an opportunity under no pressure.
By rushing out you hope to force the passing player to rush the pass and misplace it or hope to distract the receiver so he can't gather it.
It's basically the difference between trying to force an error and just hoping for one.
Then there's the fact that Goulding is often having to switch man at the last second. An overlap that's created well will have runners coming in on an angle and when Goulding or any other centre has to take that man instead of their opposite number they have to quickly cut inside to take it out. There's no option but to take the runner nearest to the ball but any good angled run will ensure that defender cannot recover to slide across.
Whenever there's an overlap the halfback/centre/winger will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Correct. The problem is some people dont understand how defensive systems work and are too quick to try and find a scapegoat.
I understand perfectly well how different defensive systems work having played RL since junior school, its just a pity that Goulding doesnt!
