morley pie eater wrote:Origin of term "Pie Eaters".
I find it sad that the myth about "Pie Eaters" origins has become accepted by so many Wiganers.
If you think about it, it makes no sense. I can readily accept that Leythers or St Heliners (or both) used the "Humble Pie Eaters" epithet at the time of a return to work - but that doesn't make it the origin of the term.
Think about it: Leythers are "Lobby Gobblers", Liverpudlians are "Scousers". Where do these terms originate? In the names used in those places for what is commonly known as "Lancashire Hot Pot" ("Lobbies" and "Lob Scouse"). Isn't it therefore much more credible that Wiganers were "Pie Eaters" simply because we eat "Meyt and Prater Pie"? The pre-existing name would then be adapted to a term of abuse - "Humble Pie Eaters, more like" I can hear a rival saying.
I don't have proof for this, but quoting what Wikipedia or some website claims doesn't prove the case for the Humble Pie version either. I'll be interested to see if anyone can come up with any evidence either way - these oral folk history things are often not written/printed until years after their origin.
I to am from Hindley born and bred and never left . I dnt have any version at all only what was said within the confines of our family by my father and grandfather who always told me how hard it was to try and survive during that strike. As i stated i will not go any further than that but what i will say is what my mother said to me when i was at senior school " You have brains and there is NO way you are going down the mines - No matter what your dad says . As it happend i did get away from school with some brains and never went down the pit , i was one of the very few males in all our family who never did . My father and grand father where very proud miners as where thousands of others grandads, fathers, sons, uncles etc .
Scargill was proved right in the end
Wigan is and always will be a town of Cherry & White
Yes VERY busy ... with 4 kids etc. He sends regards to all his friends on here :smil:
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Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
Wigan in the 50s was pretty grim for some of us, and dont give me the Monty Python piss take. What it was like in the 20s is hard to fathom,but I would and could never fault anyone anywhere in the world for doing all it takes to keep their family alive.Where I live the streets are almost awash with money.Honest. And most of it not earned ,but sent from the printing press at Threadneedle street for turning up and going home.
I was not around but my father told me the 50's probably mid/late to very early 60's was a great time to live in. An era where you could leave one job on the Friday and start a new one on the Monday.
morley pie eater wrote:Origin of term "Pie Eaters".
I find it sad that the myth about "Pie Eaters" origins has become accepted by so many Wiganers.
If you think about it, it makes no sense. I can readily accept that Leythers or St Heliners (or both) used the "Humble Pie Eaters" epithet at the time of a return to work - but that doesn't make it the origin of the term.
Think about it: Leythers are "Lobby Gobblers", Liverpudlians are "Scousers". Where do these terms originate? In the names used in those places for what is commonly known as "Lancashire Hot Pot" ("Lobbies" and "Lob Scouse"). Isn't it therefore much more credible that Wiganers were "Pie Eaters" simply because we eat "Meyt and Prater Pie"? The pre-existing name would then be adapted to a term of abuse - "Humble Pie Eaters, more like" I can hear a rival saying.
I don't have proof for this, but quoting what Wikipedia or some website claims doesn't prove the case for the Humble Pie version either. I'll be interested to see if anyone can come up with any evidence either way - these oral folk history things are often not written/printed until years after their origin.
I to am from Hindley born and bred and never left . I dnt have any version at all only what was said within the confines of our family by my father and grandfather who always told me how hard it was to try and survive during that strike. As i stated i will not go any further than that but what i will say is what my mother said to me when i was at senior school " You have brains and there is NO way you are going down the mines - No matter what your dad says . As it happend i did get away from school with some brains and never went down the pit , i was one of the very few males in all our family who never did . My father and grand father where very proud miners as where thousands of others grandads, fathers, sons, uncles etc .
Scargill was proved right in the end
Don't want to open up old wounds but I agree that that Scargill was right about Thatcher & McGregor's intentions, but his tactics were poor and divisive - Joe Gormley was a better leader.
There were jobs, as a student I worked in several factories in Wigan on proper wages. Money went a long way. We had no immigrants, so wage rates were not artifically surpressed. Pill had come in so women were much liberated from ancient contraceptive methods/dont ask. When you are young, all is possible.
