Hampshire

[TrueBlueWarrior]

Is it just me, or has cp been damning sam with faint praise recently? Conspiracy theories abound and no praise without caveats. I wonder if ST is being lined up for cp's hit list?

Was he *ever* any good? Are we about to find out the answer is no?

180 tries in 205 career games would suggest he is not to shabby!!

[x Wigan Warrior x]

Is it just me, or has cp been damning sam with faint praise recently? Conspiracy theories abound and no praise without caveats. I wonder if ST is being lined up for cp's hit list?

Was he *ever* any good? Are we about to find out the answer is no?

One things for sure, whatever CP's opinion it will be right and he will be unrelenting in his posts until everyone agrees!
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or that CP has an opinion and because he exercises his right to express that opinion strongly and in a way that you cant comprehend, you and others attack him personally instead of debating the subject .....

[cpwigan]

Is it just me, or has cp been damning sam with faint praise recently? Conspiracy theories abound and no praise without caveats. I wonder if ST is being lined up for cp's hit list?

Was he *ever* any good? Are we about to find out the answer is no?

One things for sure, whatever CP's opinion it will be right and he will be unrelenting in his posts until everyone agrees!
????

or that CP has an opinion and because he exercises his right to express that opinion strongly and in a way that you cant comprehend, you and others attack him personally instead of debating the subject .....

Do not worry, Jukes has always been like that on RLfans and here recently. You live in Whelley don't you Jukes

[Wigan_forever1985]

I find it hard to believe someone like yourself CP would suggest sam couldnt be/learn halfback role having played the majority of his time there prior to madge. A cursory glance on the NZW forums will tell you their fans thing sam guides them round the park and his amount of assists last season put to bed any argument of him not playing for the team

For me its simple, sam is better at 6, he was always better when he had his hands on the ball he can pass and run which make him a good 6 he can kick although i admit its a weakness in his game.

CP does seem a little down on Sam which i cant understand.

FWIW my opinion is Sam was always better in the halves, however when madge came he had a clear game plan of having the best open field runner at 1, (a trait he has continued at souths with GI).

The worked well because of how Madge set up his teams and attacking play and it meant sam got to use all his half back skills in a role he could chip in an out of and because we were a dominant team (again due to game plans) he defensive frailties rarely got exposed.

The madge leaves, the system that made sam successful at 1 leaves with him, which is why i believe sams last season his form was what we consider poor because the system was no longer playing to his strengths at this point he should of been moved back into the halves, however he was an "established" 1 and was bought as this.

Issue is that he took that form into the NRL, beacuse of the skillset and talent of the player he will make any position work well and so has been the case, but to see the BEST of him you need to play him where he gets his hands on the ball a lot, in teams that arent coached exactly like madges then IMO thats the halves, in madges team i would have him at 1

[Wes]

I find it hard to believe someone like yourself CP would suggest sam couldnt be/learn halfback role having played the majority of his time there prior to madge. A cursory glance on the NZW forums will tell you their fans thing sam guides them round the park and his amount of assists last season put to bed any argument of him not playing for the team

For me its simple, sam is better at 6, he was always better when he had his hands on the ball he can pass and run which make him a good 6 he can kick although i admit its a weakness in his game.

CP does seem a little down on Sam which i cant understand.

FWIW my opinion is Sam was always better in the halves, however when madge came he had a clear game plan of having the best open field runner at 1, (a trait he has continued at souths with GI).

The worked well because of how Madge set up his teams and attacking play and it meant sam got to use all his half back skills in a role he could chip in an out of and because we were a dominant team (again due to game plans) he defensive frailties rarely got exposed.

The madge leaves, the system that made sam successful at 1 leaves with him, which is why i believe sams last season his form was what we consider poor because the system was no longer playing to his strengths at this point he should of been moved back into the halves, however he was an "established" 1 and was bought as this.

Issue is that he took that form into the NRL, beacuse of the skillset and talent of the player he will make any position work well and so has been the case, but to see the BEST of him you need to play him where he gets his hands on the ball a lot, in teams that arent coached exactly like madges then IMO thats the halves, in madges team i would have him at 1

Excellent post. +1

[JUKESAYS]

Is it just me, or has cp been damning sam with faint praise recently? Conspiracy theories abound and no praise without caveats. I wonder if ST is being lined up for cp's hit list?

Was he *ever* any good? Are we about to find out the answer is no?

One things for sure, whatever CP's opinion it will be right and he will be unrelenting in his posts until everyone agrees!
????

or that CP has an opinion and because he exercises his right to express that opinion strongly and in a way that you cant comprehend, you and others attack him personally instead of debating the subject .....

You have no idea what I can and can't comprehend.
I'm sure CPW will not have missed the wink at the end of my post.

Strangely enough I almost agree 100% with a lot of CPWs views on Waneball However don't feel the need to push it a hundred times a day or as can be interpreted manufacture scenarios to push that particular opinion.

I'm sure CPW is big enough and thick skinned enough not to worry about my odd post here and there (maybe 20 posts in the last 3 years on here even though I read it 2/3 times a day suggests I'm not on some kind of campaign).

[JUKESAYS]

One things for sure, whatever CP's opinion it will be right and he will be unrelenting in his posts until everyone agrees!
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Not a clue about the first bit???
I'm not sure what I have always been like on RL Fans (happy flapper maybe) and seeing as I've only posted about 3 times this year I think on here I'm not sure what I've done in that respect either?

As for living in Whelley again not sure if that is something I'm supposed to understand but lived in the same place all my life and its not Whelley (Not saying that there's anything wrong with it just I don't and never have lived there!).

or that CP has an opinion and because he exercises his right to express that opinion strongly and in a way that you cant comprehend, you and others attack him personally instead of debating the subject .....

Do not worry, Jukes has always been like that on RLfans and here recently. You live in Whelley don't you Jukes

[JUKESAYS]

Sorry messed that up and don't know how to edit it.
In short
Not a clue what you're on about and no I don't live in Whelley.
:eh: :eh:

[JUKESAYS]

Just realised if I hadn't messed the post up it would have been exactly 20 posts in 11 years! :eusa4:

[Wiganer Ted]

My view on Sam being at 6 is that he now very experienced and that game knowledge will serve us better at 6.
Also for the fact the we have a truly outstanding talent playing full back. I can't see hampshire being dropped unless for a slight rest as he is in form and kicking goals well.
I's like a spine of the team next year of -
1 Hampshire, 6 S Tomkins, 7 Smith, 9 McIlorum, 13 O'Loughlin.
That, IMO would be the best spine in SL!