When did we last sign a top drawer player?

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pedro
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Re: When did we last sign a top drawer player?

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medlocke wrote:
pedro wrote:
medlocke wrote:My MP would be Sam Thaiday
give over
why not?
cos hes not good enough anymore, in a position we dont need
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Wiganer Ted wrote:We've not been able to sign "Top Drawer Players" due to the small salary cap compared to the NRL and Union.
Should the Marquee Player idea be passed then that could change.
If Sam T did return would he be the MP?
Last time he was here he was paid under the SC and by all accounts was paid very well too.
Perhaps we could re-sign Sam and pay him again under the SC, then sign a MP who would be exempt from the Cap.
If Sam were not the MP who would you like the club to sign as the Marquee Player?
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pedro
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Inglis, Cronk, Smith, Thurston 1st please
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pedro wrote:Inglis, Cronk, Smith, Thurston 1st please

Would agree with Cronk
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Premium wrote:
Wiganer Ted wrote:We've not been able to sign "Top Drawer Players" due to the small salary cap compared to the NRL and Union.
Should the Marquee Player idea be passed then that could change.
If Sam T did return would he be the MP?
Last time he was here he was paid under the SC and by all accounts was paid very well too.
Perhaps we could re-sign Sam and pay him again under the SC, then sign a MP who would be exempt from the Cap.
If Sam were not the MP who would you like the club to sign as the Marquee Player?
Glen Stewart. South Sydney
would be on the first plane here if I were chairman
Also I would sign Darrius Boyd as he can play either centre of full back
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Re: When did we last sign a top drawer player?

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Gelling may make errors, but he's a natural rugby player - as in he plays what is in front of him and can play off the cuff. Dean Bell, Gene Miles, Gary Connolly were nowhere near the finished product in their early 20's but they evolved. Greg Inglis and Steve Renouf were born under the 'genius' sign and there's very few of those around We need to give Gelling time.
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LooseHead wrote:Gelling may make errors, but he's a natural rugby player - as in he plays what is in front of him and can play off the cuff. Dean Bell, Gene Miles, Gary Connolly were nowhere near the finished product in their early 20's but they evolved. Greg Inglis and Steve Renouf were born under the 'genius' sign and there's very few of those around We need to give Gelling time.
The last thing Gelling is, is a natural rugby player.

Natural Rugby players have a rugby brain and so do things naturally (!) such as knowing when to pass and where to be on the pitch.

What they gain with age is physical ability and things like mental toughness but they have a natural ability Gelling simply does not possess.

If you want to see a young natural rugby player watch Budgie. Particularly last season how when making a break he had the presence of mind to pass the ball inside to Faz was a pleasure to watch. It's like he had all the time in the world to decide what to do and then went and popped as great pass out. It's like when people say soccer players have time on the ball.

Gelling's errors are not simple technical errors like dropping the ball or knocking which happens to the best from time to time but taking the wrong option, not passing when he should or passing when he should not and being out of position. These are not the traits of a natural RL player.





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Re: When did we last sign a top drawer player?

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DaveO wrote:
LooseHead wrote:Gelling may make errors, but he's a natural rugby player - as in he plays what is in front of him and can play off the cuff. Dean Bell, Gene Miles, Gary Connolly were nowhere near the finished product in their early 20's but they evolved. Greg Inglis and Steve Renouf were born under the 'genius' sign and there's very few of those around We need to give Gelling time.
The last thing Gelling is, is a natural rugby player.

Natural Rugby players have a rugby brain and so do things naturally (!) such as knowing when to pass and where to be on the pitch.

What they gain with age is physical ability and things like mental toughness but they have a natural ability Gelling simply does not possess.

If you want to see a young natural rugby player watch Budgie. Particularly last season how when making a break he had the presence of mind to pass the ball inside to Faz was a pleasure to watch. It's like he had all the time in the world to decide what to do and then went and popped as great pass out. It's like when people say soccer players have time on the ball.

Gelling's errors are not simple technical errors like dropping the ball or knocking which happens to the best from time to time but taking the wrong option, not passing when he should or passing when he should not and being out of position. These are not the traits of a natural RL player.

Gelling is one of the most unnatural rugby players I have ever seen. His hand skills are poor, he doesn't posses pace, his decision making is not good, he has no sidestep or evasion skills and he jumps before he runs and therefore loses vital seconds in attack. To compare him with Miles, Bell and Connoly is like comparing messi and Ronaldo with a League One footballer. Having said that I like the guy because he always gives 100%. Put ihim in the pack and give him a chance!




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Re: When did we last sign a top drawer player?

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The marquee review is June. It will be interesting to see what happens. Personally, I think SL badly needs it and a higher salary cap full stop. To be honest I would abandon the salary cap. Never going to happen sadly.

Cronk is in his 30s now IIRC.

If RL returned to winter then I think you would see more top drawer players play here for a season alongside their NRL contract. We might also get British players doing the same but still playing over here too.
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Re: When did we last sign a top drawer player?

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shaunedwardsfan​club​ wrote:
DaveO wrote:
LooseHead wrote:Gelling may make errors, but he's a natural rugby player - as in he plays what is in front of him and can play off the cuff. Dean Bell, Gene Miles, Gary Connolly were nowhere near the finished product in their early 20's but they evolved. Greg Inglis and Steve Renouf were born under the 'genius' sign and there's very few of those around We need to give Gelling time.
The last thing Gelling is, is a natural rugby player.

Natural Rugby players have a rugby brain and so do things naturally (!) such as knowing when to pass and where to be on the pitch.

What they gain with age is physical ability and things like mental toughness but they have a natural ability Gelling simply does not possess.

If you want to see a young natural rugby player watch Budgie. Particularly last season how when making a break he had the presence of mind to pass the ball inside to Faz was a pleasure to watch. It's like he had all the time in the world to decide what to do and then went and popped as great pass out. It's like when people say soccer players have time on the ball.

Gelling's errors are not simple technical errors like dropping the ball or knocking which happens to the best from time to time but taking the wrong option, not passing when he should or passing when he should not and being out of position. These are not the traits of a natural RL player.

Gelling is one of the most unnatural rugby players I have ever seen. His hand skills are poor, he doesn't posses pace, his decision making is not good, he has no sidestep or evasion skills and he jumps before he runs and therefore loses vital seconds in attack. To compare him with Miles, Bell and Connoly is like comparing messi and Ronaldo with a League One footballer. Having said that I like the guy because he always gives 100%. Put ihim in the pack and give him a chance!




In my Opinion I would say your completely wrong. Gelling is a pleasure to watch, I enjoy the are the going to stop him or is he going to power through them moments, I have seen a couple of occasions where he could have passed for a try bit hasn't but I also see the same errors from Sarge on the opposite wing. Gelling also makes some brilliant decisions as well as the brain facts. I know people hate when stats are mentioned but you don't have his current statics and be a bad player.
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