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No straw damn us wrote:
josie andrews wrote:I just think it's a disgrace! It should never have been allowed that you can sign a player part way thru a season. The squad you present at the start should be the squad at the end.

I know some will say but what about if you got someone with a season ending injury? Well we've had several of those & we have managed with the lads in the squad...... I think :wink:
Do you mean like Matty Smith, Joel Tomkins, Ian Thornley :D
I still think it's wrong straw, even tho we've done it in the past & more so now with this being an 'important' part of the season with everything to play for.
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All players on permanent professional contracts should be signed during the close season only and the only signings within a season should be loan signings and they should not be allowed to play in games against their parent club.

Plus players permanent or loan should have played a certain number of games to participate in the second phase of fixtures.
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There is nothing wrong with the present system, bar perhaps moving the cut off earlier than it now is for the play offs. Transfer are great and often vital to ensure a highly competitive competition. You always need the opportunity to cover unforeseen circumstances; season ending injuries / personal issue (player returns home).

The NRL system is no better, probably worse as players sign mid season for another club the following season.
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We should sign a big player for the rest of the season from a club who aren't going to make the NRL playoffs.

Wath the uproar that would cause! :sly:
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TonyH wrote:We should sign a big player for the rest of the season from a club who aren't going to make the NRL playoffs.

Wath the uproar that would cause! :sly:
Like Junior Paulo, Andy Fiagatusa or Martin Taupau?
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cpwigan wrote:There is nothing wrong with the present system, bar perhaps moving the cut off earlier than it now is for the play offs. Transfer are great and often vital to ensure a highly competitive competition. You always need the opportunity to cover unforeseen circumstances; season ending injuries / personal issue (player returns home).

The NRL system is no better, probably worse as players sign mid season for another club the following season.
Players who get season ending injuries/suspensions or have to return home for personal reasons can be well covered by other players within a club or loan signings from another club within our game.

Either way, players who due to the present wisdom of not having reserve teams are not getting regular game time.

And how you feel if were a player of a club who has played on a regular basis in the first phase of fixtures and you then find that you will be dropped to make way for a signing from down under at the business end of the season. This being the case at those clubs who have taken advantage of poor thinking by the RFL by not having a earlier deadline date or players having to had a certain number of games to qualify to play in the second phase.

A fringe player from down under who is only being signed because he is not considered good enough or needed at a NRL club.

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From WW A fringe player from down under who is only being signed because he is not considered good enough or needed at a NRL club.


This statement is very much correct. We will not see Cooper Cronk, Cameron Smith or even Sam Thaidays's in SL unless they coming to the end of their career and want 2 seasons of pay but not the week in week out of the NRL. Even the Marquee rule will not help with this unless an idiot owner gives a player a million a year deal (Salford maybe but is he actually that rich given issues).

People get on my nerves on here ohh Wire signed this Saints signed this Widnes got him. When they are not in the NRL for a reason anymore. Not good enough or too old or worse still off field issues when its sorted they go running back calming homesickness.

RL needs a transfer window like football but upto only easter then it shuts. If Wakey stays in SL its a travesty and for Leigh to put so much in but to be shafted would be wrong.
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thegimble wrote: From WW A fringe player from down under who is only being signed because he is not considered good enough or needed at a NRL club.
Yet at the same time a great many of these players are hugely successful and very prolific in our competition.

Proves exactly what some have been saying, that the SL standard has dropped considerably, to such an extent players considered not good enough for the NRL can have very good and long careers over here (Michael Dobson anyone)
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butt monkey wrote:
thegimble wrote: From WW A fringe player from down under who is only being signed because he is not considered good enough or needed at a NRL club.
Yet at the same time a great many of these players are hugely successful and very prolific in our competition.

Proves exactly what some have been saying, that the SL standard has dropped considerably, to such an extent players considered not good enough for the NRL can have very good and long careers over here (Michael Dobson anyone)
But are they worth a spot and the bigger share of the cap. Quality players are hard to come by without either been to old or average. Kevin Locke prime example good NRL player crap for the most due to injuries and other issues.

Biggest point though is playing for sides in constant mid table to lower when your apparently a good player a sign of a money player or a hungry player.

Dobson highlight was when he came here and turned things round that is now almost 10 years ago and he has done nothing to prove he is anything more than average. Sl standards has dropped but not that low where we have to sign a player with issues for the sake of getting someone.

Supporters of Saints and Wire laughed when we got Smith and Green that now would be the best combination in SL. As you say standards has fallen dramatically but why should we drop ours.
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Re: Sandow

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thegimble wrote:
butt monkey wrote:
thegimble wrote: From WW A fringe player from down under who is only being signed because he is not considered good enough or needed at a NRL club.
Yet at the same time a great many of these players are hugely successful and very prolific in our competition.

Proves exactly what some have been saying, that the SL standard has dropped considerably, to such an extent players considered not good enough for the NRL can have very good and long careers over here (Michael Dobson anyone)
But are they worth a spot and the bigger share of the cap. Quality players are hard to come by without either been to old or average. Kevin Locke prime example good NRL player crap for the most due to injuries and other issues.
Well if they are better than what you have on your books then the answer is a resounding - YES

Why would any team sign players worse (or positions all ready well covered) than all ready within the squad lol?

thegimble wrote: Biggest point though is playing for sides in constant mid table to lower when your apparently a good player a sign of a money player or a hungry player.
Could than accusation not be made for any and every player? Yes they play but if they were not "in it for the money" then why turn pro?

thegimble wrote:
Dobson highlight was when he came here and turned things round that is now almost 10 years ago and he has done nothing to prove he is anything more than average. Sl standards has dropped but not that low where we have to sign a player with issues for the sake of getting someone.
I mentioned Dobson, yes he kept Wigan in SL all those years ago but to say he is not a top half-back in the English game is wrong. He has been one of the best and most consistent in the SL irrespective of trophies won. To say he is "average" speaks volumes for the half backs in the British game when you consider him nothing special.

Who in your opinion is such a superstar in our game in the halves?

I could easily make the same point about Moon!

thegimble wrote: Supporters of Saints and Wire laughed when we got Smith and Green that now would be the best combination in SL. As you say standards has fallen dramatically but why should we drop ours.
Would signing any up and comer from the NRL be such a degradation of our standards? Like I said no team sign players worse than you all ready have.

Form and fitness is always a risk but with the money available for Wakefield, it is obvious that all their eggs have been placed into staying in SL. Maybe the question you should ask is why did they not sign these players at the beginning of the season when it was apparent the squad they started with was not good enough. Just looks like "panic signing" rather than any long term strategy from the Wildcats
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