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[TrueBlueWarrior]

You gave me three examples yourself! Another off the top of my head would be Thornley who got his knee injury in Sept that ruled him for 9 months guess where? In training.

Sarginson got a groin injury - in training before the start of the season and missed the first three rounds because of it.

In April Josh aggravated an ankle injury in training when Gelling got injured ...."However, Wane would still have opted to switch Tomkins to the threequarter line and says England winger Josh Charnley would have been the other option for centre had he not aggravated an ankle injury in training.

Lockers missed the game we lost to Wire with a thigh injury (don't know if you meant that one yourself), picked up in training. No big deal having your captain missing for a derby I suppose.

If you look at the previous season there were plenty of examples then as well. For example you will find both Taylor and Dudson were ruled out of selection for the same game due to training ground injuries. Faz did his hamstring in training and Bowen his knee.

They are a regular occurrence. Fact.

So 5 training ground injuries in 2 seasons that have been mentioned in the press, the rest you are just deciding yourself happened in training without any FACTS!! As I have always said our training injuries are not the problem you make them out to be and I guarantee that other clubs in SL have the same if not more than us, so I guess they all need to change their training methods!!

1 serious injury in training to Thornley that could happen to any player in any team in any sport! The rest are all knocks that happen again to all other clubs/players especially in a contact sport like RL!

We have had far more injuries during games in recent years as I have mentioned many times in the past, the day we are getting more from training than in matches is the day I will be worried!

Well DaveO is spot on with this and I agree with him totally

We as a club have considerably more players ruled out through training ground incidents than we actually do in any competitive fixtures. Like it or not - that is a fact

So you are telling me that the injuries listed above by DaveO over the past 2 seasons are more than the injuries we have received during games? Absolute rubbish!!

You are wrong, we have had far more players injured during games than we have during training, that is a fact!!

[TrueBlueWarrior]

I posted this in July in response to DaveO!!

Absolute garbage, I produced the list of players from last season that showed all of them were injured during games and not training, if I knew how to search through old posts I would prove it, please feel free to prove you did what you claim you did though!

I also never did say you said that all our injuries occur from training ground injuries, but you clearly say that we get to many training ground injuries from full contact training. The simple answer is no we don't.

Thornley - Injured during a game
Charnley - Injured during a game
Gelling - Injured during a game
Williams - Injured during a game
Bateman - Rested
Clubb - Injured during a game
Farrell - Injured during a game
O'Loughlin - Tweaked a muscle in training nothing to do with contact.
Manfredi - Injured during a game

We have just as many players injured from training as any other SL club and nothing to do with how we train. As you can see, all our long term injuries have occurred during games, as they always do. So what is your point exactly about our training methods linking to many injuries because the evidence is just not there, bit of a straw man argument if you ask me and just something else you can point the finger at Wane for!!

[TrueBlueWarrior]

I think the Wigan papers are clear that pretty much everyone was injured. Indeed, it looks like we will be decimated again this Friday. This is a million miles away from resting and under estimating.
What concerns me is why we are getting so many injuries? My suspicion is that it is because of a double whammy of the World Cup and the World Club Challenge being in Sydney. Not only did most of the squad get a short off season, we then skewed the training so that we aimed to peak early (which did us no good at all in the end).
I think injuries may well scupper us this year. We have just too many players who may not come back fully fit, or get injured again straight away - a la Josh.

We have unfortunately, probably down to luck, picked up far more injuries during games this season compared to other seasons, just one of them things!!

It doesn't help when you pick up so many injuries in training does it? Like Lockers being missing v Walefield.

It's not bad luck we get so many injuries in training and they are not as infrequent as you once thought are they?

DaveO, do I have to reel off the list of our major injuries again to show how they ALL happened during games? For you to then come back with quotes from the paper suggesting about 3 instances of training ground injuries? Lockers apparently picks up training ground injuries quite frequently but I guess it is mainly an excuse to rest him. I am sorry DaveO but we don't get as many injuries in training as you like to make out and I know you will never agree but it doesn't make you an idiot, just a differing opinion to mine.

Oh here goes anyway:-

Bowen - Game
Charnley - Game
Goulding - Game
Thornley - Game
Green - Game
MM - Game
Flower - Game
Farrell - Game
O'Loughlin - Training
Burke - Out on Loan
Pettybourne - Game
Clubb - Game
Bateman - Game
Hampshire - Guess what? Game

I rest my case!!

This was also a conversation in June 2014!! Again I rest my case, far more game time injuries than training ground injuries!!

[Mike]

There was a period I think at the start of last season, or maybe the season before, where we had quite a few training ground injuries. However, things have settled right down now so it seems to me they have the balance of physical training vs player protection about right now.

Perhaps people are rememebering the bad run and thinking that things must be the same now?

[Kittwazzer]

Multiple quoting has left this thread unreadable!

[josie andrews]

Multiple quoting has left this thread unreadable!

There are several threads like this Kitt, don't know why they can't quote just the bit they're replying to!

Have mentioned it before but was complained about!!!

[markill]

Training ground injuries are inevitable, part of preparing for playing a physical intense all action contract/collision sport involves doing those things to some extent in practice. People who notice ours, see if you followed all teams during a year would you see the same thing. Following the NFL, who are in their preseason right now, you definitely see it.

[DaveO]

So 5 training ground injuries in 2 seasons that have been mentioned in the press, the rest you are just deciding yourself happened in training without any FACTS!!

I looked them up and you don't honestly think I am stupid enough to make things up do you? And those are just a few examples not the definitive list. That last time we had this debate last season I gave you links to reports of training ground injuries.

Here are two more for you.

"Speaking after the game, Wane said: “I feel proud, I thought the effort was there. A few things went against us, we lost two middles (Crosby and Tautai) yesterday in team run which would disrupt Leeds if they lost Cuthbertson and JP "

That is on the Wigan web site right now, Wanes comments in the match after the defeat tonight.

Two more training injuries.

As I have always said our training injuries are not the problem you make them out to be and I guarantee that other clubs in SL have the same if not more than us, so I guess they all need to change their training methods!!

The only reason your say it is because you have dug yourself into a right hole with your ridiculous denials despite evidence to the contrary. How can it possibly not be a problem when there are so many?

As to how many training ground injuries other teams have who cares? Whatever the figure it doesn't make it right that we get as many as we do.

1 serious injury in training to Thornley that could happen to any player in any team in any sport! The rest are all knocks that happen again to all other clubs/players especially in a contact sport like RL!

Sarginson out for three week wasn't a "knock". Neither was the one Josh got, nor the one that Thornley got that set him back.

In any case as Wane just said the loss of two middles was disruptive as are any last minute withdrawals.

We have had far more injuries during games in recent years as I have mentioned many times in the past, the day we are getting more from training than in matches is the day I will be worried!

And why does it matter how many injuries we get on field compared to on the training ground? If there are too many occurring in training it doesn't matter how many we get on the pitch. If we get 20 injuries on-field it doesn't make it OK if we get 10 in training. That is just daft logic.

[TrueBlueWarrior]

Looked them up where? I don't recall these 'articles' but I do recall seeing injuries on the pitch like MM tonight!

The 'Team Run' doesn't necessarily mean they were injured in training, they could have been carrying the injuries all week from the previous game thinking they were going to be ok but then had to pull out because they didn't recover in time!!

I am not in any hole, as my posts prove we have had far more injuries from games than training, the reason I know this is because like everyone else I see the injuries actually happen in games, FACT!!

The original Sarginson, Charnley and Thornley injuries all happened in GAMES!! So what is your point?

You say we get far to many injuries in training, I say we don't because most of our injuries happen in games, again as the lists prove and what my eyes see happening in games prove!!

Why have you not replied earlier to my posts above? Are you only going to whenever there is a hint of MAYBE another training ground injury to finally try and justify your argument?

[Mike]

DaveO - Now we are on absolutes and not relatives, exactly how many training injuries is OK? We know its less than the number we have had, but how far too high are we.

Even in a non contact sport there will be a few. In a squad of 25 how many per week? Maybe 0.5 per week which would be about the 12 per season? Or perhaps one every 4 weeks?