Theo Fages resignation.

[cpwigan]

I do wonder at what point will Koucash up sticks and leave Salford and in what state will he leave it in?,for me anyone who thinks this man has "saved" the club is borderline delusional,you simply can not run a professional sports club the way he is,indeed any buisness for that matter.

Given that onslaught of court cases seemingly stacking up against him,coaches and players seemingly in the wrong apart from him,it is as Elton John once sang a sad,sad situation and the sooner Koucash goes the better the whole of RL will be becuase he's turning the sport into a laughing stock.

Salford was going under, it was in debt, supporters were selling items to try to save, help the club THAT IS FACT

A refugee who went from nothing. He graduated from Liverpool John Moores University and progressed to get a PhD in electrical engineering. He taught at the university for five years, and was appointed Director of International Business. In 1992 he set up EuroMaTech, a corporate training company, from which he derived much of his wealth.

Introduced to horse racing by his bank manager, he had his first winner in 2007. In 2012 he had 101 winners, who accumulated over £1m in prize money. It is claimed that he is the biggest owner of race horses in Britain.

MAKES Gruffys statement laughable!

[Wigan_forever1985]

Be interested to hear DaveO's take on this one. If you put the other incidents to the side this seems to me like an outright player wants out but has a contract and they wont let him leave.

No we know that IL will sell any player when the cheques come waving regardless of contract length

isnt MK just doing what everyone on hear asks IL to do when players sign contracts and leave early and that is saying no?

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

Does anyone know exactly what the club are supposed to have done wrong by Theo? In this instance it appears to me like they are trying to engineer a move. Different to the other staff issues at Salford. Still, worrying is going on. Worrying that Koukash seems to think he can do and say what he wants, when he wants, but no one else gets to. He is obviously a source of unrest at that club. If he learns his lessons about running a rugby league club, like he keeps saying he has, then it'll be good fit Salford and the game in the long run, but at the moment it all looks a bit small minded and destructive.

The lad has received an offer from another club.

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

You need to deal in reality and not fantasy. If Smith goes and Fages gets a deal he will want more than 2 years and a big chunk of the cap, More than Smith i would guess. So 2 expendable players in the halves would need to go to cover him on the cap.

Or Williams goes.

You will say Sam Powell to go but he covers hooker and is beginning to show potential at last.

Ok since you have all the facts, what salary is Smith, Hampshire and Fages paid? Has Fages told you he would want more than a two year deal? I think that it is you who needs to deal in reality, you are simply making these things up!

How do you know that Rocky is going to be a first team player in 18 months, how do you know he'll just sit around and wait? Who is he going to replace?

If Rocky was not going to be in the 1st time just like others who Wane does not want they would be let go. Thornley, Dudson, Hughes, Taylor etc.

The club didn't want to let Thornley or Taylor to leave. Rocky has to remove either Williams or Smith to get a spot, George signed a five year deal and Matty a four year agreement. Wane doesn't see Rocky as a 6 so how does he break into the team within 18 months unless one goes or gets injured?

Wherever Fages goes he will be wanting as much if not more than he is on at Salford and he will not be on peanuts now given Koucash statement about a transfer fee.

Of course he will be wanting to maintain or better his current salary. Neither of us know how much Fages is paid but a transfer fee has nothing to do with his salary it is all about what a club is willing to pay for his services and skills.

Would you sign a 2 year deal if you were as good as him its common sense to think he is looking at a 4 year deal minimum given his age and potential. After all he is just like Rocky 20 but difference is he has started to prove himself at SL level which Rocky has not been given a chance to at 6 and failed at FB.

Who has offered him a two year deal? Yes I would if the money was good enough. A two year deal of £110k per year is better than a four year deal worth £50k per year. The lad is a good age and has got bags of potential, the same can be said of Rocky. One has had the opportunity to prove himself the other hasn't. Would I let Rocky go? No. Will he stay? No unless things change dramatically. If Rocky leaves would we be annoyed that we passed up the chance of signing Fages? In my view yes if Shorrocks is not ready to step up. Will Smith become a better player? In my view no, but I hope I am wrong.

If Rocky does not want to wait it will be his loss as so far he has done little as a SL player to prove himself and how many players over the last 20 years have comeback better after leaving us. Long about the only 1 i can think of. If he wants to go where Saints (Fages is going apparently) so with Walsh and Burns seems Saints is a no go.

Wait for what, a chance that never comes? As stated before Williams is on a five year deal (I believe that George will be a regular international within two years) and will be a mainstay of the Wigan team and Smith is on a four year deal and his face fits. If you were Rocky would you sign another contract with the prospect of playing the odd first team game or would you look to move to another SL club? Regarding Saints, they didn't expect Walsh to invoke another year on his contract but they may take the decision to recruit Fages for the long term. Longy is a big fan of Fages.

Wire - Gidley and Sandow so that is a no go unless he sits it out
Leeds - potential could as they are losing Sinfield but i can not see Mcguire moving for him.

Do you think that Gidley will play 6 at Warrington? I think he will play 1. Leeds will sign Brierley if Leigh don't get promoted but they may try to sign Fages for the long-term as McGuire and Burrows are both nearing the end. Fages can also play 9 and so would be useful to Leeds given that Aiton is leaving.

So the bigger question is where does he go if he wants to go Leeds only viable option if he wants to play for a top side but i do not think they would risk him. Nevermind how good you think Rocky is he has done nothing at SL for a top side to sign him inless they want him for the future. Now given he is ready made for when Smith hits his 30's and 1 year left on his contract i think see i think he could be ready then.

Unless Rocky is a first team regular next season then he wont sign a new deal and he will be a free agent in 12 months time. Do you honestly think that he is going to twiddle his fingers and wait for Smith to reach 30? What the lad wants is a fair fight and at present he is not getting it.

BTW the board is for opinions just like your mine means sod all as well

I agree. But I believe that both our opinions mean something. That said there is nothing wrong with having different views. We will just have to wait and see what happens.

[thegimble]

Ok since you have all the facts, what salary is Smith, Hampshire and Fages paid? Has Fages told you he would want more than a two year deal? I think that it is you who needs to deal in reality, you are simply making these things up!

How do you know that Rocky is going to be a first team player in 18 months, how do you know he'll just sit around and wait? Who is he going to replace?

If Rocky was not going to be in the 1st time just like others who Wane does not want they would be let go. Thornley, Dudson, Hughes, Taylor etc.

The club didn't want to let Thornley or Taylor to leave. Rocky has to remove either Williams or Smith to get a spot, George signed a five year deal and Matty a four year agreement. Wane doesn't see Rocky as a 6 so how does he break into the team within 18 months unless one goes or gets injured?

Wherever Fages goes he will be wanting as much if not more than he is on at Salford and he will not be on peanuts now given Koucash statement about a transfer fee.

Of course he will be wanting to maintain or better his current salary. Neither of us know how much Fages is paid but a transfer fee has nothing to do with his salary it is all about what a club is willing to pay for his services and skills.

Would you sign a 2 year deal if you were as good as him its common sense to think he is looking at a 4 year deal minimum given his age and potential. After all he is just like Rocky 20 but difference is he has started to prove himself at SL level which Rocky has not been given a chance to at 6 and failed at FB.

Who has offered him a two year deal? Yes I would if the money was good enough. A two year deal of £110k per year is better than a four year deal worth £50k per year. The lad is a good age and has got bags of potential, the same can be said of Rocky. One has had the opportunity to prove himself the other hasn't. Would I let Rocky go? No. Will he stay? No unless things change dramatically. If Rocky leaves would we be annoyed that we passed up the chance of signing Fages? In my view yes if Shorrocks is not ready to step up. Will Smith become a better player? In my view no, but I hope I am wrong.

If Rocky does not want to wait it will be his loss as so far he has done little as a SL player to prove himself and how many players over the last 20 years have comeback better after leaving us. Long about the only 1 i can think of. If he wants to go where Saints (Fages is going apparently) so with Walsh and Burns seems Saints is a no go.

Wait for what, a chance that never comes? As stated before Williams is on a five year deal (I believe that George will be a regular international within two years) and will be a mainstay of the Wigan team and Smith is on a four year deal and his face fits. If you were Rocky would you sign another contract with the prospect of playing the odd first team game or would you look to move to another SL club? Regarding Saints, they didn't expect Walsh to invoke another year on his contract but they may take the decision to recruit Fages for the long term. Longy is a big fan of Fages.

Wire - Gidley and Sandow so that is a no go unless he sits it out
Leeds - potential could as they are losing Sinfield but i can not see Mcguire moving for him.

Do you think that Gidley will play 6 at Warrington? I think he will play 1. Leeds will sign Brierley if Leigh don't get promoted but they may try to sign Fages for the long-term as McGuire and Burrows are both nearing the end. Fages can also play 9 and so would be useful to Leeds given that Aiton is leaving.

So the bigger question is where does he go if he wants to go Leeds only viable option if he wants to play for a top side but i do not think they would risk him. Nevermind how good you think Rocky is he has done nothing at SL for a top side to sign him inless they want him for the future. Now given he is ready made for when Smith hits his 30's and 1 year left on his contract i think see i think he could be ready then.

Unless Rocky is a first team regular next season then he wont sign a new deal and he will be a free agent in 12 months time. Do you honestly think that he is going to twiddle his fingers and wait for Smith to reach 30? What the lad wants is a fair fight and at present he is not getting it.

BTW the board is for opinions just like your mine means sod all as well

I agree. But I believe that both our opinions mean something. That said there is nothing wrong with having different views. We will just have to wait and see what happens.

Think Rocky will find a major shock if he leaves as he will have to go down from the top 4 to get regular spot. Smith or Williams will have an injury and he needs to step up. Powell now seems to be stepping into the hooker replacement roll. Sam did this when Amos went off against Wakey but then again Sam was really the last chance full back given injuries to Amos and Phelps. Though i am certain SAm would have had the same impact at eventually at 6 as he has done at FB

He is wasted at full back but if Williams is to become the long term 6 then he has a problem at the club. As for Brieirly to Leeds if Legih go down. If Leeds come knocking with a bigger pay and a lot more chance of success it would take a really loyal player to stay. Though i can not see Leigh coming to SL now Wakey are not as crap as they were and that is a real shame.

[cpwigan]

I may be proven wrong but I have not seen anything to get terrible excited about Fages. Injuries and suspensions to Chase and Dobson have given him far more game time this season than he would have otherwise received. I would put Smith / Williams and Hampshire; maybe academy halves above Fages.

[gruffy]

I do wonder at what point will Koucash up sticks and leave Salford and in what state will he leave it in?,for me anyone who thinks this man has "saved" the club is borderline delusional,you simply can not run a professional sports club the way he is,indeed any buisness for that matter.

Given that onslaught of court cases seemingly stacking up against him,coaches and players seemingly in the wrong apart from him,it is as Elton John once sang a sad,sad situation and the sooner Koucash goes the better the whole of RL will be becuase he's turning the sport into a laughing stock.

Salford was going under, it was in debt, supporters were selling items to try to save, help the club THAT IS FACT

A refugee who went from nothing. He graduated from Liverpool John Moores University and progressed to get a PhD in electrical engineering. He taught at the university for five years, and was appointed Director of International Business. In 1992 he set up EuroMaTech, a corporate training company, from which he derived much of his wealth.

Introduced to horse racing by his bank manager, he had his first winner in 2007. In 2012 he had 101 winners, who accumulated over £1m in prize money. It is claimed that he is the biggest owner of race horses in Britain.

MAKES Gruffys statement laughable!

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Because I have my opinion you and not just copy and pasted from his wiki page?

Seriously I try to engage and have a conversation with you but it's impossible so I won't try again.

[cpwigan]

you simply can not run a professional sports club the way he is,indeed any buisness for that matter.

LAUGHABLE that a man who had nothing was able to create a fantastically successful business and a fantastically successful sport (horse racing)

Have you DONE THE SAME? I haven't; far from it. So no I would not laugh at him but I will LMAO at anybody who hasn't thinking that the DR is the joke. The joke is anybody who thinks that way!

Salford is a tough gig, not even sure the ground is ideal but the man is trying. He has improved RL by leading the push for the marquee rule. If he walked away tomorrow that alone was worth it.

Think how long IL took AT WIGAN, an easy gig. The DR has had 2 seasons, perhaps we should give him time?

Thus far what has the Dr done wrong; Gaz Hock? one of my favourite players; Wigan didn't do too well there either; does that make IL: / Wigan a joke? NO Tony Puletua? NO PROOF AS YET Locke? NO PROOF AS YET Thages? No proof as yet

So 4 players makes an owner a JOKE? Pull your head in, how many failed at Wigan under IL? Some in controversial circumstances!

I would hazard a guess not one of us has achieved what the Dr has and in such circumstances. So the joke is on those who want to attack him for saving a club in debt that nobody wanted and letting Salford fans watch players like Chase and Dobson.

JOKE :doz:

[cpwigan]

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[TrueBlueWarrior]

Whether you like the Dr or not, one thing is for sure, they are still s**** on the pitch, having said that at least they are still on the pitch!!