Jihadi John reported killing

[Wandering Warrior]

Will he now meet 72 Virgin maidens in paradise as written in his holy scripture.

You'll struggle to get 72 virgins on Earth over 16 so Allah knows where they'll get them up there or wherever it is!!

[thegimble]

Dave O, Corbyn is with you on that, re. putting on trial. Ironic though, saying he was all for scrapping the army. Perhaps he could have asked Jihadi John after he'd slaughtered Alan Henning to come home and face the music, with the caveat of course, we'll be lenient!
With this pratt leading the opposition they'll be lucky to get 100 seats at the next election, and I've voted Labour all my life!!

Corbyn never said he would scrap the army. Trident yes but Let's be honest the Tories are doing good job of destroying Our armies.

Even Alan Henning's family wanted him tried and to suffer.

[Wandering Warrior]

He said before he became leader and a nothing man he couldn't see the point of the army.
Furthermore how would you actually get somebody out without boots on the ground.
I'd get any secret forces out a raise Raqqa and Mosul to the ground. If it is to be believed all the civilians have done a runner from those towns.
It'll need radical steps to stop these nutters, and there will be collateral.
Maybe I'm being non PC but what else can be done?

[thegimble]

WW the answer to taking out ISIS is quite simple it only takes a bit of will from all countries involved. Let Russia sort out Syria and let Nato take ISIS out of Libya and Iraq with the Kurds help.

Problem lies in the oil USA nor its allies will give it up and have attempted to destabilise the area and force regime change and it failed on more than one occasion and that country then went into a 3 sided civil war.

This would need an UN mandate but will never happen and needs us to allow those countries to run their own governments and not have a puppet installed as happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I agree it needs radical steps but will not happen because of certain interests in those areas. NATO have done nothing to stop ISIS I would say they have actually let them grow especially in Syria. Now Russia are involved we take an interest. Makes you wonder if they could have killed this nutter if they wanted to.

[thegimble]

WW the answer to taking out ISIS is quite simple it only takes a bit of will from all countries involved. Let Russia sort out Syria and let Nato take ISIS out of Libya and Iraq with the Kurds help.

Problem lies in the oil USA nor its allies will give it up and have attempted to destabilise the area and force regime change and it failed on more than one occasion and that country then went into a 3 sided civil war.

This would need an UN mandate but will never happen and needs us to allow those countries to run their own governments and not have a puppet installed as happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I agree it needs radical steps but will not happen because of certain interests in those areas. NATO have done nothing to stop ISIS I would say they have actually let them grow especially in Syria. Now Russia are involved we take an interest. Makes you wonder if they could have killed this nutter if they wanted to sooner. Cameron was the biggest European voice in going into Syria to take out Assad. Whilst he is a monster what we have let out of the bag is a lot more dangerous to the world

[Panchitta Marra]

Will he now meet 72 Virgin maidens in paradise as written in his holy scripture.

You'll struggle to get 72 virgins on Earth over 16 so Allah knows where they'll get them up there or wherever it is!!

Do they have to be over 16 years of age WW, I'm sure the prophets youngest wife was 9 years old when they had physical relationship.

[Wandering Warrior]

Will he now meet 72 Virgin maidens in paradise as written in his holy scripture.

You'll struggle to get 72 virgins on Earth over 16 so Allah knows where they'll get them up there or wherever it is!!

Do they have to be over 16 years of age WW, I'm sure the prophets youngest wife was 9 years old when they had physical relationship.

It was a tongue in cheek comment but in their world the age is probably much lower.

[DaveO]

He said before he became leader and a nothing man he couldn't see the point of the army.
Furthermore how would you actually get somebody out without boots on the ground.
I'd get any secret forces out a raise Raqqa and Mosul to the ground. If it is to be believed all the civilians have done a runner from those towns.
It'll need radical steps to stop these nutters, and there will be collateral.
Maybe I'm being non PC but what else can be done?

He has never said he couldn't see the point of the army. He has said the money being spent on Trident would be better spent on our conventional forces and given the way way they have been decimated by the Tories I agree with him.

We have no maritime patrol aircraft. I think we borrowed some in the end and one of the first things that happened in 2010 was they sacked all the RAF trainee fast jet pilots who were 18 months into a 21 month fast jet training course. Just a couple of examples.

As to getting Jihadi John out the difficulties with that doesn't mean you ignore the law and indulge in state sanctioned killing without trial. That is what happened here and that is scary. The fact we got the Yanks to do our dirty work doesn't alter this.

It means whoever is in government can decide that because at some point in the future they decide you may be a threat to the UK they can just bump you off. We are supposed to be better than that.

We may never have caught him but his death won't stop some other tosser from beheading someone so it's just revenge. So it serves no practical purpose and has all the down sides I have mentioned.

[DaveO]

WW the answer to taking out ISIS is quite simple it only takes a bit of will from all countries involved. Let Russia sort out Syria and let Nato take ISIS out of Libya and Iraq with the Kurds help.

That would need boots on the ground and there is no appetite for that in the West.

The only war ever won by airstrikes was arguably the War against Japan in WWII where the atomic bomb put an end to it and meant an invasion of mainland Japan wasn't required.

Every other modern war has only been won with boots on the ground with some bloke with a gun and bayonet forcing some other bloke with a gun and bayonet to concede. Whether these nutters would ever totally concede and go away is doubtful as we see in Afghanistan but you will never win just by dropping bombs.

The West has a habit of trying to wage ground wars by proxy by building up some opposition group or other. When the Taliban were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan they were the "good guys" so got military aid. Now they are the "bad guys".

The Kurds and Nato won't work given Turkey is a Nato member and would quite like the Kurds wiped out anyway.

[Panchitta Marra]

You'll struggle to get 72 virgins on Earth over 16 so Allah knows where they'll get them up there or wherever it is!!

Do they have to be over 16 years of age WW, I'm sure the prophets youngest wife was 9 years old when they had physical relationship.

It was a tongue in cheek comment but in their world the age is probably much lower.

Sorry WW, I missed your tongue in cheek comment.
I understand what your saying.