Tonight V Warrington

[thegimble]

And why will it be different from last night? This is not the Warrington team of the last few years. They can be beaten but does SW have the nous to realise this is a different team who have to be played in a different way from previous seasons?

Sam
Gelling
Williams
Crosby
MM (if lucky)
Flower
Lockers (full game)
Bateman

I would have thought could make a difference!!

None would get into the Wire 17 come on TBW be serious plz.

[thegimble]

And why will it be different from last night? This is not the Warrington team of the last few years. They can be beaten but does SW have the nous to realise this is a different team who have to be played in a different way from previous seasons?

No its not the Warrington of 2009-2013 that was a lot better than the side they have now.

[i'm spartacus]

The Warrington team only showed that they have something we do not have ie, a good class Stand off in Ratchford and yes, I have too admit it on his form this season, a good class Scrum Half in Sandow plus a top class experience Australian ex International in Gidley who together with two big, rough Prop Forwards in Hill and Simms controlled the game and made us look poor.

Whenever they got near our 20m line, they looked dangerous whereas when we reached their 20m line, we as usual were running around like headless chickens without making any real headway.

Unless we sort out the major problem at half back, we will continue to struggle this season, irrespective of who is playing in the other positions or is missing because of injury.

I have been supportive of Wane as the Head Coach, but I now have to admit, that perhaps a change of direction is needed in the way of coaching at the club with the appoinment of a top class experienced Coach from down under.

Without any of the usual personel abuse, what do others think?

I think your about right for me.

Everyone is on Smith's back again, and compared to Sandow's performance i can see why most folks would come to that conclusion. I really don't think it's just as simple as that though as Sandow was playing behind a very dominant set of forwards.
Comparively there was the roughly the same number of carries, but Wire made 400 metres more than we did.
Comparing the forwards - Ashton Sims 106 metres, Chris Hill 172 metres, Clarke 92 metres, Currie 85 metres, Jack Hughes 101 metres Westwood 108 metres, Cox 55 metres, Westerman 85 metres.

Against our lot - Clubb 43 metres, Mossop 38 metres, Gregson 91 metres, Joel 53 metres, Farrel 111 metres, Isa 11 metres, Burke 38 metres, Tautai 58 metres, Sutton 14 metres.
Thurston wouldn't be able to make any difference behind that performance, or alternatively, Smith could have made a really good job behind their pack.

I was really impressed by Gregson and Higginson even though it was a bad night.

[Premium]

And why will it be different from last night? This is not the Warrington team of the last few years. They can be beaten but does SW have the nous to realise this is a different team who have to be played in a different way from previous seasons?

Sam
Gelling
Williams
Crosby
MM (if lucky)
Flower
Lockers (full game)
Bateman

I would have thought could make a difference!!

Are you sure about that ?


Sam. Good support player not know for being creative
Gelling Make it up as he goes along probably a cheap signing as well
Williams. Good potential if played in correct position
Crosby. Not for me
MM (if lucky). Brilliant player we are missing him massively
Flower. Solid forward
Lockers (full game). Great defensively not a creative player
Bateman. Resilient Gutsy fully committed not creative

We have no recognised goal kicker
As previous postings have mentioned What's the plan in the lfinal third ? We are still doing the same move that McGuire started there has been no progression

[thegimble]

And why will it be different from last night? This is not the Warrington team of the last few years. They can be beaten but does SW have the nous to realise this is a different team who have to be played in a different way from previous seasons?

Sam
Gelling
Williams
Crosby
MM (if lucky)
Flower
Lockers (full game)
Bateman

I would have thought could make a difference!!

Are you sure about that ?


Sam. Good support player not know for being creative
Gelling Make it up as he goes along probably a cheap signing as well
Williams. Good potential if played in correct position
Crosby. Not for me
MM (if lucky). Brilliant player we are missing him massively
Flower. Solid forward
Lockers (full game). Great defensively not a creative player
Bateman. Resilient Gutsy fully committed not creative

We have no recognised goal kicker
As previous postings have mentioned What's the plan in the lfinal third ? We are still doing the same move that McGuire started there has been no progression

Are you a Troll seriously.

Sam Tomkins Good support player not know for being creative

Sam created most of the tries for Charnley because defences in SL are scared of him. Look at the tries against the Giants at Huddersfield for what he does. Sucks in 2 defenders due to been scared of his step off either foot and pure burst after it.

We are attacking the lines Sam Tomkins did in 2013 and Amos did and due to the players not been as good we can not create space off his run coming into the line.

Clueless is not a word I use but come on.

[DaveO]

Everyone is on Smith's back again, and compared to Sandow's performance i can see why most folks would come to that conclusion. I really don't think it's just as simple as that though as Sandow was playing behind a very dominant set of forwards.

So what is his excuse when our pack is on top as it has been several times this season? We have spent quite a few minutes camped in the opposition 20m in several games this season and have very little to show for it.

I think suggesting Smith isn't good enough is that simple because when he has our pack dominating for him, he still doesn't have a clue.

I was going to say it may be because Wane insists he plays the way he does but Matty Smith has enough experience now to say stuff that if it isn't working but he doesn't.

[keptinthedarkfans]

I find it amusing that anyone can think wane has any tactical nous, he's only tactic is bash em and hope for the best. The attack is truly shocking, it's so predictable and boring, the line is ridiculously flat and slow. In training all we must do is tackle, because there's isn't a bloody organised and structured attacking play in us. I'm really hoping and I believe it's really clutching at straws because imo Wane is the big problem along with players who aren't good enough, that when we get our injured players to return we can actually fashion some sort of decent attack

Blimey thank god for that. I thought I was going mad thinking it was only me with Wane having no attacking nous. Even with all the players fit excluding Sam they have not got a clue in attack. And think result would have been same. Wane is definitely the problem. I know people around him who also say he is blinkered and will not listen. He is adamant his way is the right way.

[thegimble]

Everyone is on Smith's back again, and compared to Sandow's performance i can see why most folks would come to that conclusion. I really don't think it's just as simple as that though as Sandow was playing behind a very dominant set of forwards.

So what is his excuse when our pack is on top as it has been several times this season? We have spent quite a few minutes camped in the opposition 20m in several games this season and have very little to show for it.

I think suggesting Smith isn't good enough is that simple because when he has our pack dominating for him, he still doesn't have a clue.

I was going to say it may be because Wane insists he plays the way he does but Matty Smith has enough experience now to say stuff that if it isn't working but he doesn't.

Especially given there is no alternative to Smith atm. Your right he could change it in game but does Wane rule with an iron fist. Smith has proven at times he can play but he needs to grow a pair of you know what or Wane needs to let him.

Either way he has to change

[butt monkey]

Tauti = penalty count - silly player really?

One penalty in the match. Yes was a penalty but "silly player"?

One of our better forwards over the course of the match, even when our half back decided to take himself "out of the game" and go hiding

What was your thought on Farrell's professional foul then??

[butt monkey]

The Warrington team only showed that they have something we do not have ie, a good class Stand off in Ratchford and yes, I have too admit it on his form this season, a good class Scrum Half in Sandow plus a top class experience Australian ex International in Gidley who together with two big, rough Prop Forwards in Hill and Simms controlled the game and made us look poor.

Whenever they got near our 20m line, they looked dangerous whereas when we reached their 20m line, we as usual were running around like headless chickens without making any real headway.

Unless we sort out the major problem at half back, we will continue to struggle this season, irrespective of who is playing in the other positions or is missing because of injury.

I have been supportive of Wane as the Head Coach, but I now have to admit, that perhaps a change of direction is needed in the way of coaching at the club with the appoinment of a top class experienced Coach from down under.

Without any of the usual personel abuse, what do others think?

I am one of those who has been saying it for a long time. The question is has Wane got the best out of the squad? My view is that he has not with the squad at his disposal we should have won s a rotating propsilverware in the last two seasons. Is the squad good enough? I believe we have the best squad in the comp although we need to replace a couple of players if we are to be dominant. It is farcical to think that one halfback injury means that the only option is to play our loose forward at 6.

Good point sefc

I myself cannot understand why we get rid of our unwanted halves and end up playing one of the World's best loose forwards at stand off. I have no doubt fans will be uttering "hindsight" but the fact remains we thrust players into a position when he started (and was conditioned pre-season) at prop and now he is expected to play 80 minutes in the backs

Wigan have THE slowest half back combination bar none with Smith and Lockers at halves and it makes our play extremely pedestrian. We keep giving players débuts so why not a half???