Re: Disciplinary?

medlocke · Post by **medlocke** » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:06 pm

Some are saying the other players want him out

Wigan_forever1985 · Post by **Wigan_forever1985** » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:12 pm

One thing is for sure no matter how much "talent" a player has togetherness as a team is far more important.

Castleford are a good benchmark with this they offloaded problem players and their team is tight which shows and makes them difficult to break

fozzieskem · Post by **fozzieskem** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:53 am

Wigan_forever1985 wrote:One thing is for sure no matter how much "talent" a player has togetherness as a team is far more important.

Castleford are a good benchmark with this they offloaded problem players and their team is tight which shows and makes them difficult to break

100% correct i dont care if the player in question is the greatest ever if he's causing trouble and the team dont want him,get rid and pronto.

Owd Codger · Post by **Owd Codger** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:53 am

Mike wrote:
Whelley Warrior wrote:A pity that some have nothing better to do then keep going on about a incident which as usual may have been a mountain made out of a molehill by the dreaded social media of facebook and twitter.

Cause nothing but trouble for many!
And the club and police - don't forget they also commented.

They are the ones you expect to make comments, not people who speculate or revel in rumours about something they know little or nothing about.

Until the investigation by the club and the police is completed the least said the better.

keptinthedarkfans · Post by **keptinthedarkfans** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:56 am

fozzieskem wrote:
Wigan_forever1985 wrote:One thing is for sure no matter how much "talent" a player has togetherness as a team is far more important.

Castleford are a good benchmark with this they offloaded problem players and their team is tight which shows and makes them difficult to break
100% correct i dont care if the player in question is the greatest ever if he's causing trouble and the team dont want him,get rid and pronto.

Sorry but where as it ever been said the player in question is causing trouble. From what I am hearing 2 grown men went to a place of both choosing and one got the better of the other everything else is conjecture. And your saying that mob rules and players not wanting him because he got the better of there mate.Now before the insults start I do not know what happened and just putting another angle to it. But some have got player hung drawn and sacked off pure rumour. For what it's worth For me this was a scrap between 2 drunken players that got out of hand.Takes two to tango.And we have had a long line of truly greats some where hated by team mates but we still had our best decade of the clubs history. All boils down to how these players are controlled while at work.

Wigan_forever1985 · Post by **Wigan_forever1985** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:19 am

keptinthedarkfans wrote:
fozzieskem wrote:
Wigan_forever1985 wrote:One thing is for sure no matter how much "talent" a player has togetherness as a team is far more important.

Castleford are a good benchmark with this they offloaded problem players and their team is tight which shows and makes them difficult to break
100% correct i dont care if the player in question is the greatest ever if he's causing trouble and the team dont want him,get rid and pronto.
Sorry but where as it ever been said the player in question is causing trouble. From what I am hearing 2 grown men went to a place of both choosing and one got the better of the other everything else is conjecture. And your saying that mob rules and players not wanting him because he got the better of there mate.Now before the insults start I do not know what happened and just putting another angle to it. But some have got player hung drawn and sacked off pure rumour. For what it's worth For me this was a scrap between 2 drunken players that got out of hand.Takes two to tango.And we have had a long line of truly greats some where hated by team mates but we still had our best decade of the clubs history. All boils down to how these players are controlled while at work.

well my post was in direct relation to meds' post about some players wanted said player out.

Im not saying what has or hasnt happened but if there is a divide as a result then its important the team are together so again (if) one person is the cause/bad egg then even if it was thurston youre still better off with a team working for eachother than pockets of mates against

again though this is a hark back to the noble days!

keptinthedarkfans · Post by **keptinthedarkfans** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:46 am

Wigan_forever1985 wrote:
keptinthedarkfans wrote:
fozzieskem wrote: 100% correct i dont care if the player in question is the greatest ever if he's causing trouble and the team dont want him,get rid and pronto.
Sorry but where as it ever been said the player in question is causing trouble. From what I am hearing 2 grown men went to a place of both choosing and one got the better of the other everything else is conjecture. And your saying that mob rules and players not wanting him because he got the better of there mate.Now before the insults start I do not know what happened and just putting another angle to it. But some have got player hung drawn and sacked off pure rumour. For what it's worth For me this was a scrap between 2 drunken players that got out of hand.Takes two to tango.And we have had a long line of truly greats some where hated by team mates but we still had our best decade of the clubs history. All boils down to how these players are controlled while at work.
well my post was in direct relation to meds' post about some players wanted said player out.

Im not saying what has or hasnt happened but if there is a divide as a result then its important the team are together so again (if) one person is the cause/bad egg then even if it was thurston youre still better off with a team working for eachother than pockets of mates against

again though this is a hark back to the noble days!

We will have to agree to disagree on this as I believe as proffesional rugby players they should still be working for each other regardless of there off field relationship.

Wigan_forever1985 · Post by **Wigan_forever1985** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:02 am

I agree that they dont all have to be bessie mates, but a team that are together as a unit are always more successful IMO

one thing you dont want is friction

markill · Post by **markill** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:14 pm

Wigan_forever1985 wrote:I agree that they dont all have to be bessie mates, but a team that are together as a unit are always more successful IMO

one thing you dont want is friction

Cole and Sheringham hated each other and were part of the most successful English club team ever together. I suppose there will always be examples either way.

markill · Post by **markill** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:24 pm

Bare with me on this...

What Ben Flower did in the GF was awful and severely impacted the image of the club as well as having a detrimental effect on the team's ability to succeed. The club stuck by him.

If what has happened is no worse than what Flower did (and as no-one appears to have died or been seriously injured to the point their season/career is in doubt) then no player should be sacked in my opinion. Disciplined yes, sacked no.