What is happening to the Labour Party?

[cpwigan]

Fair enough.

[cpwigan]

Corbyn the puppet of Momentum. The tactics of this toxix organization are identical to those used by Militant Tendency in the 80's. Their representatives spat on moderates and threatened them at union meetings. Foolish Miliband is responsible for idiotically changing the rules for leadership elections. Never very bright he surpassed himself.
Corbyn has stabbed Labour in the back . It is in its death throes.

Yesterday, at PMQ's Corbyn was savaged by a brilliant new PM. Labour MP's sat on their hands when he rose to speak. Inept isn't the word. He is totally out of his depth. His E's at A level shriek out. Attempts by dear friend Abbott on the radio to support dear Jeremy were as usual pathetic. Birds of a feather indeed.
Watson is rumoured to be throwing in the towel. The sinking ship will soon have very few crew.

[jobo]

Corbyn the puppet of Momentum. The tactics of this toxix organization are identical to those used by Militant Tendency in the 80's. Their representatives spat on moderates and threatened them at union meetings. Foolish Miliband is responsible for idiotically changing the rules for leadership elections. Never very bright he surpassed himself.
Corbyn has stabbed Labour in the back . It is in its death throes.

Yesterday, at PMQ's Corbyn was savaged by a brilliant new PM. Labour MP's sat on their hands when he rose to speak. Inept isn't the word. He is totally out of his depth. His E's at A level shriek out. Attempts by dear friend Abbott on the radio to support dear Jeremy were as usual pathetic. Birds of a feather indeed.
Watson is rumoured to be throwing in the towel. The sinking ship will soon have very few crew.

Hardly savaged, unless you only saw the highlights shown by all the news media, which to be fair is only ever going to show stuff that makes Corbyn look ridiculous.

As for a brilliant PM, she wasn't even a competent Home Secretary. She is though well schooled and comes across well on the telly, which I suppose is what a lot of people like.

Labour Party is in a bad place at the moment but been there before and will at some stage come out of it.

Think it's just a pity that our so called democracy, because of our deregulated press is being steered by the likes of Murdoch and Rothermere who are frankly just about the worst thing possible for any sort of half decent society.

[cpwigan]

Milliband screwed it up Jobo

[Owd Codger]

As a Conservative supporter it is both interesting and sad.

Interesting to see that we might be seeing the Labour party evolve from a Socialist party (which imo should be consigned to the past), to a Centre-Left Social Democratic party.

The interesting thing is that May is also bringing the Tory party to the Centre.

Maybe the penny has finally dropped that this is the way to retain power in the UK?

I feel sad as, imo, a government needs strong opposition and at the moment there is none.

I agree with re the opposition BUt ignoring them, all things being equal; why are you a Conservative?

Why am I a Conservative?

Quite simply their policies reflect my own more than any other party.


- I believe in a smaller State rather than a larger one
- I believe in Indirect taxation rather than direct taxation (i.e. I would rather have more money in my pocket and it be ME who decides how to spend it rather than someone spending it "on my behalf").
- I believe that (overall) the Conservative foreign policy better looks after the UK.

Or to put it another way, one of the many people today who think they are better than others because they have a bit of money and could not care less about those less fortunate in our society. Some called it petty snobbery!

Good job that all do not think the same way as Tories or else we would be in a bigger mess than we are now.

And to suggest that Socialism is dead is only showing now how some know little or nothing about politics as it is very much alive as shown by the election of Corbyn by ordinary people who think that the Labour Party is not what it should be today.

Love the way that it is those who vote Tory who are doing the most bleating about Corbyn being leader of the Labour Party!

[ian.birchall]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Whether we invest more in our armed forces could easily be solved by cutting benefits, raising taxes, cutting funding to the NHS etc etc

Dang WG - cutting benefits? Few missiles for that, raising taxes, nothing against that BUT how? politicians use it as a vote grabber. I have yet to see ANYBODY do it effectively.
Privatise the NHS? Saves a big chunk of moey but is that the country you truly want? Personally, the NHS was one of the greatest political act in history.

I'm not suggesting anything.

I am saying that "choice" between Trident and spending on conventional forces cannot be made in isolation as DaveO would suggest. Rather it forms part of the overall choice that a country makes on taxation and spending.

I am with Sir Humphrey here. As long as France has the bomb we want it and remember France has 64 more submarine launched missiles than the UK.
There are some 150 miles of unending sandy beaches between Soulac Sur Mer and Biarritz on the Atlantic coast. The walk down is only interrupted at Biscarosse Plage where 10kms are closed off as a military firing range where the French navy has its nuclear missile firing tests. As a hardened Tory I would want more soldiers/sailors with better equipment and weapons rather than tax credits for people earning more than £40/annum but I still feel the need for our nuclear deterrent.

[Wigan_forever1985]

im not sure we need a nuclear deterrent

what or who is it actually deterring? we would never fire it first which means we would only every fire it in retaliation if we needed to do that then it hasn't deterred anyone

to me the money is better spent on our troops and their equipment possible drone technologies.

If we ever have to use nuclear weapons then it will be at the beginning of the end of the human race anyway

[DaveO]

Why am I a Conservative?

Quite simply their policies reflect my own more than any other party.


- I believe in a smaller State rather than a larger one
- I believe in Indirect taxation rather than direct taxation (i.e. I would rather have more money in my pocket and it be ME who decides how to spend it rather than someone spending it "on my behalf").
- I believe that (overall) the Conservative foreign policy better looks after the UK.

You are a Conservative because you lack empathy. This is true of all Conservatives.

The proof is in what you say above. Indirect taxation such as VAT means the poor end up with a far higher percentage of their income going towards taxation. This is an indisputable fact. YOU would rather have money in your pocket and indirect taxation be the the way we tax because YOU have money. The fact those with little would end up with even less if we went the indirect taxation route clearly doesn't matter a jot to you. As I said no empathy.

It's a similar story with the smaller state thing. YOU think you can live without a larger state. Never mind contributing direct taxes that are spent to assist those who can't. Not your problem is it? A typical man mind thyself Tory attitude.

Maggie with her "There is no such thing as society" quote would have been proud of you.

[Wandering Warrior]

Dave O
We are all entitled to vote for who we like and it's true that Tories and Tory voters are selfish by nature.
However does the behaviour of the leader of the opposition not display selfishness by pumping policies and clinging on to power that make labour unelectable and him look a complete plank?

[fozzieskem]

You forget of course WW the threat of reselection being made mandatory what clown would stay in a party with the sack waiting for you in 4 years time.

The man is a disgrace.