SJ wrote:I agree with your post Winter g
I believe in exactly what you say "Capitalism with a Social conscience"I believe the Tory party under May have recognised this and the notion isn't a contradiction in terms.
Yeh! Trust in Maggie May, she ruined Rod Stewart but she'll lead the country from strength to strength in splendid isolation!!
When John Byrom plays on snow, he doesn't leave any footprints - Jimmy Armfield
SJ wrote:I agree with your post Winter g
I believe in exactly what you say "Capitalism with a Social conscience"I believe the Tory party under May have recognised this and the notion isn't a contradiction in terms.
I agree with both of you but the Conservatives will never have a social conscience and that it the essence of what should be the difference between Labour and the Conservatives IMO.
Wiganer Ted wrote:The Scots are not bothered if Trident left their country.
Where they would get up a sweat is if the UK Govt said ok we'll move Trident and then also the Royal Navy Ship Builing capacity will be moved south of the border.
The SNP and the rest would get very angry about that.
Me, I'd grant them their wish.
Move Trident to Barrow or Falmouth.
Then move Royal Navy shipbuilding to yards on the rivers Tyne, Mersey and Solent.
BTW, see that Corbyn won his court case. This now seems it will run and run.
Wiganer Ted, seeing that you and one or two others had a lot to say about retaining membership of the EU, what is your opinion on the way the Tories botched up on on the referendum by assuming that the people would ignore the minority Eurosceptics and as usual, support the Prime Minister and the Government by a large majority.
Now as a result of neglecting the wishes of the people on controlling immigration, it has resulted in us out of the EU, a Prime Minister who had a mandate of the people resigning, replaced by one with no mandate and one of the leaders of the leave campaign now in a top Government position of Foreign Secretary.
That is a more important matter than that of the Labour Party and its leadership!
My view is the most empty can made the loudest noise and the sheep chose to follow blindly! That answer your question?
Are you still wandering or should it be wondering?
cpwigan wrote:Labour are not and have never been a watered down Tory party. The coalition was not even a watered down Tory Party.The very real differences between Labour and Conservative can be emphasised with dragging Labour so far left that it becomes unelectable.
Good post I agree entirely dragging Labour so far left just opens the door for the Conservatives to run the country for another 10 to 15 years
Whelley Warrior wrote:
Wiganer Ted, seeing that you and one or two others had a lot to say about retaining membership of the EU, what is your opinion on the way the Tories botched up on on the referendum by assuming that the people would ignore the minority Eurosceptics and as usual, support the Prime Minister and the Government by a large majority.
Now as a result of neglecting the wishes of the people on controlling immigration, it has resulted in us out of the EU, a Prime Minister who had a mandate of the people resigning, replaced by one with no mandate and one of the leaders of the leave campaign now in a top Government position of Foreign Secretary.
That is a more important matter than that of the Labour Party and its leadership!
My view is the most empty can made the loudest noise and the sheep chose to follow blindly! That answer your question?
Are you still wandering or should it be wondering?
Wandering and wondering are poles apart! One involves physical and the other involves mental pursuits, in cas€ you didn't know?
When John Byrom plays on snow, he doesn't leave any footprints - Jimmy Armfield
cpwigan wrote:Labour are not and have never been a watered down Tory party. The coalition was not even a watered down Tory Party.The very real differences between Labour and Conservative can be emphasised with dragging Labour so far left that it becomes unelectable.
Good post I agree entirely dragging Labour so far left just opens the door for the Conservatives to run the country for another 10 to 15 years
It is sad but Momentum and the London Leftys reminds me of Hatton and Millitant. Kinnock was right then.
Had this conversation with mates this week about looney left and militant tendency.
Corbyn said today that there will be big discussions about Hinckley. Quite where he stands on the matter wasn't made clear but I hardly think Maggie May will have damp knickers worrying about that comment unless it's with laughter!?!
When John Byrom plays on snow, he doesn't leave any footprints - Jimmy Armfield
Whelley Warrior wrote:
Wiganer Ted, seeing that you and one or two others had a lot to say about retaining membership of the EU, what is your opinion on the way the Tories botched up on on the referendum by assuming that the people would ignore the minority Eurosceptics and as usual, support the Prime Minister and the Government by a large majority.
Now as a result of neglecting the wishes of the people on controlling immigration, it has resulted in us out of the EU, a Prime Minister who had a mandate of the people resigning, replaced by one with no mandate and one of the leaders of the leave campaign now in a top Government position of Foreign Secretary.
That is a more important matter than that of the Labour Party and its leadership!
My view is the most empty can made the loudest noise and the sheep chose to follow blindly! That answer your question?
Are you still wandering or should it be wondering?
Do you even go to the House of Commons every week though?? Or are you just an armchair supporter?
Until you go every week you are not allowed to comment
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My view on the referendum result is that perhaps people did vote against remaining as there was no argument from the Remain camp about immigration.
As far as immigration is concerned, discusion has to cover EU migration, Non EU Migration and expecially Illegal immigration. Without covering all three then talk of reducing immigration is useless.
The idea that restrcting EU migration will solve our immigration problems is ridiculous.
As far as Cameron going when he had a mandate from the people and May coming in with a new government without a mandate is hardly a new argument.
This thread is about the Labour Party. They had better hope and pray that May doesn't call an election whilst their leadership contest is going on.
May could end up with a Commons majority between 150-180 if she did call an election. That result for Labour would be disastrous. Although they would then have got rid of Corbyn as he'd have to resign.
