What is happening to the Labour Party?

[cpwigan]

Labour are not and have never been a watered down Tory party. The coalition was not even a watered down Tory Party.The very real differences between Labour and Conservative can be emphasised with dragging Labour so far left that it becomes unelectable.

Good post I agree entirely dragging Labour so far left just opens the door for the Conservatives to run the country for another 10 to 15 years

Can you qualify your opinion with a specific example of Corbyn dragging Labour "so far left"?

CND stance is an obvious one Dave Do we need to carry on. Left wing labour / Corbyn are the most unelectable Labour since Foot. Corbyn is ecstatic with his self congratulating members club. The behavour of his club has more in common with the Nazi party!

[Owd Codger]

Good post I agree entirely dragging Labour so far left just opens the door for the Conservatives to run the country for another 10 to 15 years

Can you qualify your opinion with a specific example of Corbyn dragging Labour "so far left"?

CND stance is an obvious one Dave Do we need to carry on. Left wing labour / Corbyn are the most unelectable Labour since Foot. Corbyn is ecstatic with his self congratulating members club. The behavour of his club has more in common with the Nazi party!

I find it a bit rich for any Tory to talk about anyone in the Labour Party being a Nazi when the Right Wing of the Tory Party is full of people of that kind of political thinking.

[cpwigan]

Can you qualify your opinion with a specific example of Corbyn dragging Labour "so far left"?

CND stance is an obvious one Dave Do we need to carry on. Left wing labour / Corbyn are the most unelectable Labour since Foot. Corbyn is ecstatic with his self congratulating members club. The behavour of his club has more in common with the Nazi party!

I find it a bit rich for any Tory to talk about anyone in the Labour Party being a Nazi when the Right Wing of the Tory Party is full of people of that kind of political thinking.

Could not agree more Whelley. Extremes left or right are very much the same. So you agree that the far left (Corbyn) is equally bad. Well done.

[Owd Codger]

CND stance is an obvious one Dave Do we need to carry on. Left wing labour / Corbyn are the most unelectable Labour since Foot. Corbyn is ecstatic with his self congratulating members club. The behavour of his club has more in common with the Nazi party!

I find it a bit rich for any Tory to talk about anyone in the Labour Party being a Nazi when the Right Wing of the Tory Party is full of people of that kind of political thinking.

Could not agree more Whelley. Extremes left or right are very much the same. So you agree that the far left (Corbyn) is equally bad. Well done.

And do you admit that you are a Tory or are you one of those Tories who will never admit to being a Tory?

Met quite a few of them in my life!

[cpwigan]

I find it a bit rich for any Tory to talk about anyone in the Labour Party being a Nazi when the Right Wing of the Tory Party is full of people of that kind of political thinking.

Could not agree more Whelley. Extremes left or right are very much the same. So you agree that the far left (Corbyn) is equally bad. Well done.

And do you admit that you are a Tory or are you one of those Tories who will never admit to being a Tory?

Met quite a few of them in my life!

LOL No and never will be. The miners strike left me wishing some Conservatives were dead. The nearest anybody could label me in that direction is an Orwellian Socialist. The problem I have is that I am not blindly a socialist or anything else for that matter. I was brought up to speak my mind and always have just as my father did but he was firnly of the belief all politicians were the same and as bad as easch other and whilst a card carrying member and someone who would never cross a picket line he also felt there was a large slice of self interest in unions and in many individuals too. He held his principles until the day he died, oten to his own detriment financially, advancement etc but he was happy to retain his integrity.

So in an ideal world I would love a Labour government but not one far left. Ultimately, people matter more to me than name tags and labels.

[Owd Codger]

Could not agree more Whelley. Extremes left or right are very much the same. So you agree that the far left (Corbyn) is equally bad. Well done.

And do you admit that you are a Tory or are you one of those Tories who will never admit to being a Tory?

Met quite a few of them in my life!

LOL No and never will be. The miners strike left me wishing some Conservatives were dead. The nearest anybody could label me in that direction is an Orwellian Socialist. The problem I have is that I am not blindly a socialist or anything else for that matter. I was brought up to speak my mind and always have just as my father did but he was firnly of the belief all politicians were the same and as bad as easch other and whilst a card carrying member and someone who would never cross a picket line he also felt there was a large slice of self interest in unions and in many individuals too. He held his principles until the day he died, oten to his own detriment financially, advancement etc but he was happy to retain his integrity.

So in an ideal world I would love a Labour government but not one far left. Ultimately, people matter more to me than name tags and labels.

The present Labour Party is no where near being a far left party as a result of Blair and his cronies like Campbell and Mendleson making it into a second right of centre party unable to attract the middle class vote, while at the same time has it has lost many of its traditional voters.

As for Corbyn, what chance has he ever got of becoming a Prime Minister when most of today's Labour MP's and indeed local Councilors are anything but Democratic Socialists of the moderate left like in the great days of the Labour and Trade Union Movement.

We no longer have a effective opposition to the Tories, both in Parliament and also now with odd exception, in the Trade Union Movement.

Now to busy looking after number one instead of the people who voted for them or pay union subscriptions.

[doc]

WW, the problem isn't Corbyn's policies as far as I am concerned, I agree with 80-90% of them (you never get a politician/party with whom you agree 100%) but Corbyn himself.

Sadly, in this day and age, you have to sell yourself and your policies to the wider electorate via TV/press or you will fail to become PM and implement them. JC is awful at this and is not helped by the right wing bias of the bulk of the media in this country. Allthough I didn't vote for him in the last leadership election and won't in this, I was hoping that he would grow into the role but he hasn't. When you couple this with the disgraceful way his supporters in Momentum have been behaving towards other Labour members then he has to go.

[Owd Codger]

WW, the problem isn't Corbyn's policies as far as I am concerned, I agree with 80-90% of them (you never get a politician/party with whom you agree 100%) but Corbyn himself.

Sadly, in this day and age, you have to sell yourself and your policies to the wider electorate via TV/press or you will fail to become PM and implement them. JC is awful at this and is not helped by the right wing bias of the bulk of the media in this country. Allthough I didn't vote for him in the last leadership election and won't in this, I was hoping that he would grow into the role but he hasn't. When you couple this with the disgraceful way his supporters in Momentum have been behaving towards other Labour members then he has to go.

Why have a go at me about Corbyn as I am not a supporter of him. At the same time, how many of those in the Labour Party who don't want him as leader are behaving in the same way as his supporters.

Both as bad as one another from what I have seen!

[cpwigan]

And do you admit that you are a Tory or are you one of those Tories who will never admit to being a Tory?

Met quite a few of them in my life!

LOL No and never will be. The miners strike left me wishing some Conservatives were dead. The nearest anybody could label me in that direction is an Orwellian Socialist. The problem I have is that I am not blindly a socialist or anything else for that matter. I was brought up to speak my mind and always have just as my father did but he was firnly of the belief all politicians were the same and as bad as easch other and whilst a card carrying member and someone who would never cross a picket line he also felt there was a large slice of self interest in unions and in many individuals too. He held his principles until the day he died, oten to his own detriment financially, advancement etc but he was happy to retain his integrity.

So in an ideal world I would love a Labour government but not one far left. Ultimately, people matter more to me than name tags and labels.

The present Labour Party is no where near being a far left party as a result of Blair and his cronies like Campbell and Mendleson making it into a second right of centre party unable to attract the middle class vote, while at the same time has it has lost many of its traditional voters.

As for Corbyn, what chance has he ever got of becoming a Prime Minister when most of today's Labour MP's and indeed local Councilors are anything but Democratic Socialists of the moderate left like in the great days of the Labour and Trade Union Movement.

We no longer have a effective opposition to the Tories, both in Parliament and also now with odd exception, in the Trade Union Movement.

Now to busy looking after number one instead of the people who voted for them or pay union subscriptions.

Corbyn is too far left for me but more importantly totally devoid of relity and does not understand ordinary people. Momentum and the Loony Londoners have hijacked labour and it will prpbably have to run its course with Labour plummeting and the Conservatives enjoying the freedom and power to do whatever they want. The public will suffer; Not Corbyn, nor McDonald, not Abbot, not Livingstone ETC ETC.

Even when the Conservatives were in the mire, Foot showed how the Labour Left was not electable. IMO, it never will be. Militant is not far from Momentum.

The majority of British people are moderate by nature, political with a very small c and prioritise their 'bread and butter' Under Corbyn when it ccomes to the crunch, ordinary people will desert Labour and rightly so. Ordinary people are not what the current Labour membership represent. In many respects they are as far out of touch as Westminster is but that member has control of a Westminster Part that it totally at odds with them.

Blair and New Labour were far better than Lunatic Labour. It was a pity like every Government they started to forget about ordinary people but did start with a far better understanding of ordinary people and some decent politicians.

[cpwigan]

To see how messy Labour is now;
http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/s ... -1-8060371

By my reckoning Anderson was doing a good job BUT Corbyn and Momentum have ousted him.