Relieve Wane ASAP, write the season off ..

[SJ]

Like the common view on here I think Waney needs the help of an attacking coach, preferably a former half back.
Our attack and "points for" column have looked very poor from the start of the season and the problem should have been resolved earlier than now. Problem I suppose is the availability of quality personnel.

I've mentioned previously I'd have liked the club to offer an attack coaching job to Terry Campese. He's a year left on his contract but I'm sure he'd ditch that if got a coaching offer from Wigan.
I've usually seen TC as a clever player who could open defences with at times almost ease.

You have mentioned TC before and on both occasions I support your opinion. I would go further and suggest him for Head Coach period. This guy exudes class in every facet of the game.
On a related tack our game seems to be following soccer in that natural abilities are being coached out of players to fit in with fixed structures. Guys on 250,000 per week having to fit in a pattern. It defies logic.
RL is a simple game with the simple objective of scoring tries. Players who train together will. Learn each other's strengths and weaknesses and be encouraged to express themselves eg play what's in front of them and not let the game plan get in the way of their natural instinct which has been honed by the game planned in training. Wigan 1985 said against Wignes we looked like we had never been coached. I thought on the other hand our display was a symptom of over coaching and against a team that knew our'game plan 'let that very same plan get in the way,so to speak, of their natural intuitive instinctive capacity to play appropriately in those circumstances That's how I believe Campase plays his game and I believe he could inculcate it in our young players

[cpwigan]

How come when Harris and Deacon left they weren't replaced by similar personnel?

Because we're Wigan, and more than that, we're Wigan under Shaun Wane. We're arrogant enough to think we don't need intelligent coaching. Just promote John Winder and play jobs for the boys instead.

Deacon is been put on a pedestal here. Our attack got worse the moment Harris left. Deacon might have been a bit better than now but myself and others were complaining about him start of last season and some had seen it the previous season.

Once again someone leaves and get put on a pedestal as he is from Wigan. Whilst people ignore the fact last time we won something meaningful Harris was the attack coach.

2012 points for 994
2013 points for 851
2014 points for 834
2015 points for 798
2016 points for 568 so far and 4 games to go

2013 we would have broken 1000 point had we not got top 4 done before mid July. We were far ahead and deliberately stopped playing in SL games so be fresh for the double push.

There is a drop from 2014 onwards and the drop is getting bigger. We will struggle to break 600 this season that is almost 400 points a season less than when Harris was here.

Whomever was the assistant became irrelevant. Wane is a control freak. Early doors he took the parts of Maguire he liked and took the reigns off. Thereafter year on year it got progressively worse because the aspects he liked were wrong and teams soon wized up. Once teams learned and adapted he was unable to learn and adapt. The philosophy of Wane has much in common with Gary Schofield. Does anybody want Schofied?

[thegimble]

Because we're Wigan, and more than that, we're Wigan under Shaun Wane. We're arrogant enough to think we don't need intelligent coaching. Just promote John Winder and play jobs for the boys instead.

Deacon is been put on a pedestal here. Our attack got worse the moment Harris left. Deacon might have been a bit better than now but myself and others were complaining about him start of last season and some had seen it the previous season.

Once again someone leaves and get put on a pedestal as he is from Wigan. Whilst people ignore the fact last time we won something meaningful Harris was the attack coach.

2012 points for 994
2013 points for 851
2014 points for 834
2015 points for 798
2016 points for 568 so far and 4 games to go

2013 we would have broken 1000 point had we not got top 4 done before mid July. We were far ahead and deliberately stopped playing in SL games so be fresh for the double push.

There is a drop from 2014 onwards and the drop is getting bigger. We will struggle to break 600 this season that is almost 400 points a season less than when Harris was here.

Whomever was the assistant became irrelevant. Wane is a control freak. Early doors he took the parts of Maguire he liked and took the reigns off. Thereafter year on year it got progressively worse because the aspects he liked were wrong and teams soon wized up. Once teams learned and adapted he was unable to learn and adapt. The philosophy of Wane has much in common with Gary Schofield. Does anybody want Schofied?

So why did we score 400 points more almost 2 season running than today. You can give an opinion which is even second hand unless you actually know Wane or have been coached by him. Players not liking a boss etc is akin to work where we all think our bosses are control freaks.

Fact is were 400 points down.

[jobo]

Don't get this. Why on earth should we relieve the coach and write the season off?

Certainly hope none of the Wigan hierarchy have such a defeatist attitude.

This is no happy clapper post. The problems we have are obvious to see. Personally, I believe Wane isn't the problem. He's the front man in the spotlight taking the brunt of the criticism whilst others are keeping their heads down. Think he deserves credit if only for that.

Plus all this nonsense about him being arrogant and pigheaded is rubbish. He's determined and resolute but imo again, is being undermined in his job.

Anyhow, here's hoping that this year he takes us to our fourth grand final in a row.

[sheepsteeth]

Write the season off? We need to win 2 games and we're champions!!

now I'm not saying it's not been very poor it has, I'm also not saying IL doesn't need to have a long hard look at SW for next year but to say write the season off is absolute nonsense.

IMO it's not how we play that's the biggest issue it's when. We keep trying to play of slow PTB's. When we play off quick PTB's we score points. We need to be more willing to play it tough up the middle and when we get a quick PTB then play.

IMO we have really missed MM. Powell has played tough and tackled everything but gives no variety or direct from dummy half. Also those who have bad mouthed Smith saw what we miss without him on Thursday. Without him or lockers or MM we have no guidance around the park.

I'm sick of watching us and being angry because we don't want to earn the right to play.

[cpwigan]

Deacon is been put on a pedestal here. Our attack got worse the moment Harris left. Deacon might have been a bit better than now but myself and others were complaining about him start of last season and some had seen it the previous season.

Once again someone leaves and get put on a pedestal as he is from Wigan. Whilst people ignore the fact last time we won something meaningful Harris was the attack coach.

2012 points for 994
2013 points for 851
2014 points for 834
2015 points for 798
2016 points for 568 so far and 4 games to go

2013 we would have broken 1000 point had we not got top 4 done before mid July. We were far ahead and deliberately stopped playing in SL games so be fresh for the double push.

There is a drop from 2014 onwards and the drop is getting bigger. We will struggle to break 600 this season that is almost 400 points a season less than when Harris was here.

Whomever was the assistant became irrelevant. Wane is a control freak. Early doors he took the parts of Maguire he liked and took the reigns off. Thereafter year on year it got progressively worse because the aspects he liked were wrong and teams soon wized up. Once teams learned and adapted he was unable to learn and adapt. The philosophy of Wane has much in common with Gary Schofield. Does anybody want Schofied?

So why did we score 400 points more almost 2 season running than today. You can give an opinion which is even second hand unless you actually know Wane or have been coached by him. Players not liking a boss etc is akin to work where we all think our bosses are control freaks.

Fact is were 400 points down.

Gimble IIRC I have passed the time of day about twice in my life with Wane, sum total of 1 minutes max. I am sure he is a very nice person but all that is irelevant. IMO, he is not good enough to coach Wigan RLFC.

I thought I already said. If you stand still in any sport you will find yourself falling further and further back. SL is increasingly weaker season after season; Wigan were set up to dominate SL for up to a decade, maybe longer. We have the best ot least equal best facilities/backroom staff and we similarly have the best access to junior talent. EVERY coach in Britain would argue they would be successful in such circumstances.

Not one person needs to know Wane personally to make an uinformed judgement about him. Ironically Wane now walks out of media sessions because the pressure is on whereas STUPIDLY he became a media whore frin the ninent he got the job and revelled in the spotlight. Arrogance will always come back to bite you.

Wane was arrogant the moment he took the head coach job, how he was frustrated how Wigan played under Madge and that he could and would do far better.

Wane loves young players/juniors because they are a doddle to exert control upon and bend to your will. Gregory, Edwards and Hanley would not have stood for such poor coaching. Wane would have been Dorahay MKII. If great players see something is wrong then they speak up wgeras kids are totally compliant. Wane the control freak!

We should year on year have been getting better and better and more dominant yet we can all see the opposite is true. Yet, arrogantly Wane game after game blames the players and states if they did what he said they would be unbeatable.

ANYTHING/EVERYTHING any fan needs to make a judgement on Wane is in his press conferences/interviews.

In the words of Gunny Highway, Wigan is a cluster *uck under Wane

[cpwigan]

Jobo/Sheep IMO, Widnes was by far the most inept Wigan effort I have seen> I go back to 84 and have seen bad days, when everything went wrong BUT never have I seen such a bad team/game when everything was handed to them on a plate. Even worse, as awful as we were; to rep[eatedly turn 2 points down should have been a court marshall offence.

SL is incredibly poor but is anybody confident when it comes to the crunch in 2016? Has anybody enjoyed game after game of tedious boring dross? In terms of underachievemt Wigan under Wane is the pits.

As with Dorahay, take action and you immediately get better. Such a boost is all would be needed to win a GF. The alternative, we all shell out our hard earned, live in hope and become the laughing stock for the 3rd season in a row.

EVERY fan of other clubs want Wane to remain a Wigan coach. Do I need to explain it

[DaveO]

Wane was arrogant the moment he took the head coach job, how he was frustrated how Wigan played under Madge and that he could and would do far better.

I will never forget that interview. My jaw hit the desk when he came out with that.

I wanted Wane as head coach because I thought that would mean carrying on where Madge left off. Then not five minutes into the job he is basically slagging off a coach who got Wigan playing some of the best RL I have ever seen. The GF win v Saints was a masterclass of control in defence and skill in attack.

For a second I thought Wane was just letting his mouth run away with him as he seems to do at times but it soon became clear he actually meant it.

From that moment on I had my doubts and posted at the time him saying he was frustrated we lost some of the easier games and he was going to change things so we didn't with a better attack (how ironic that has proved to be) was the wrong approach. If it ain't broke, don't fix it but he was determined to and when I suggested this was not a good sign I got lots of people saying it was OK for him to stamp his mark on the side and why should he not want to improve? I felt this was unrealistic as the best sides lose the odd game here and there and what we had for two years under Madge is about as good as it gets and there was Wane saying he was frustrated!

The writing was on the wall from that moment on in my opinion.

[josie andrews]

Don't get this. Why on earth should we relieve the coach and write the season off?

Certainly hope none of the Wigan hierarchy have such a defeatist attitude.

This is no happy clapper post. The problems we have are obvious to see.
Personally, I believe Wane isn't the problem. He's the front man in the spotlight taking the brunt of the criticism whilst others are keeping their heads down. Think he deserves credit if only for that.

Plus all this nonsense about him being arrogant and pigheaded is rubbish. He's determined and resolute but imo again, is being undermined in his job.

Anyhow, here's hoping that this year he takes us to our fourth grand final in a row.

Glad someone else sees this

[moto748]

So, jobo and Josie, can you clarify who it is that is "keeping their heads down" and "undermining" Wane?