To you, what is "The Wigan Way"?

[medlocke]

The Wigan Way is dead and buried, R.I.P Wigan rugby

[jobo]

The Wigan Way is dead and buried, R.I.P Wigan rugby

Crikey Medlocke, cheer up.

Things go right and things go wrong. Just because we're in a bad patch at the moment, doesn't mean the club is dead.

[DaveO]

And there's me thinking you posted: "The "parallel universe" I live in is one where in other sports, such as swimming and athletics the athletes are disciplined enough not to go and get plastered and in most cases even drink at all."

I must be in a parrallel universe where you didn't really post that and the names I listed didn't illustrate that this goes on across all sports, despite your incorrect assertion. In fact, I think I will go on:

George Best, Ricky Hatton, Tiger Woods, Babe Ruth, the aforementioned Andy Gregory, Gary Connolly and Joe Lydon, Bryan Robson.. In fact a good proportion of any football team ever.. Andy Flintoff, the majority of the English Rugby Union Squad, Usain Bolt...

Shall I go on?

I know you hate to accept you're wrong, Dave, but your assertion was so far from the truth that it can only be described as naive. A drinking and drugs culture is endemic, not only across all sports, but across all occupations from entertainment to business.

You mentioned swimming. Google Adam Peaty's recent plea for the sport to do more to root out the drugs culture that plagues that particular sport. As for athletics.. The mind boggles if you think that sport isn't corrupt to the core and absolutely being destroyed by it's ingrained drug abuse!

So you continue to post irrelevances.

You are, deliberately IMO, trying to deflect the issue onto athletes who have taken performance enhancing drugs. Not those who simply lack the professionalism to look after themselves which is what I was suggesting was part of the so called "Wigan Way".

The fact some athletes like Armstrong and Johnson in all sports are corrupt and seek to cheat via performance enhancing drugs is totally irrelevant to the notion the club has an ethos of professionalism at its core.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, Dave? Mate, I know you aren't stupid so if you seriously believe that list to be irrelevant you can only be in denial. That 2nd list specifically lists people who were heavy drinkers throughout their careers. Absolutely and unequivocally relevent to your assertion that other sports have a more professional attitude towards this than Wigan or Rugby League.

Shall I go on?

Only if you want to continue to make facile points. What you are doing is picking out individuals who were either drug cheats or had a drinking problem and are then leaping to the conclusion that their entire sports are full of drug riddled alcoholics.

The exception does not prove the rule. So unless you want to argue every single athlete in the sports of athletics, motor racing, tennis or whatever is corrupt you do not have a point. Just because all sports have the odd idiot who either cheats or takes drugs does not mean (for example) the entire formula 1 grid is on cocaine because at some time in the distant past James Hunt did!

That is what you are implying. You are talking absolute nonsense.

[moto748]

does not mean (for example) the entire formula 1 grid is on cocaine,,,

I'd be surprised if they weren't!

[Mike]

What you are doing is picking out individuals who were either drug cheats or had a drinking problem and are then leaping to the conclusion that their entire sports are full of drug riddled alcoholics.

Isn't that what you are doing with a few examples from RL? CLaiming the whole club has an issue based on a few inidividual incidents?