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Re: Wigan Warriors: Super League champions receive two-point deduction

Post by Firestarter » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:42 am

I never remember wigan getting a big pat on the back when they allowed our younsters to pull leigh out of the s##t late last season...... it stinks to high heaven......ide love to see how much certain clubs really do spend on the salary cap...... the rfl should applaud teams like wigan who promote so many local born players...... how many other sporting teams have as many local lads as us? Enjoy tonite eddie...... im on 2-10 unfortunately but know ill be ranting at his BS and anti
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Post by jao711 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:19 am

I warned them about buying the most expensive tea bags.

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Post by First Try Tickle » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:25 pm

They should have asked the agent to repay the fee in 2017 and take back in 2018.

I'm sure Warrington will ask Austin to take half his wages this year with the other half paid next year after he's returned home to Australia.

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Re: Wigan Warriors: Super League champions receive two-point deduction

Post by josie andrews » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:58 pm

'The timing of Wigan Warriors' salary cap punishment is the controversy here' - how journalists and fans reacted on social media

Wigan's salary cap deduction was a bombshell announcement ahead of the new season - here's how some journalists and fans reacted... Champions Wigan Warriors will begin their 2019 Super League campaign with a two-point deduction after being punished for breaching the salary cap in 2017

They admitted overspending around £14,000, apologised and blamed it on an administrative error. The timing of the announcement could hardly have been any worse, on the eve of the new Super League season. Here's how some journalists reacted on social media - followed by some supporters' views:

@BradWalterSport: "Feel for UK reporters who had written good stories about new season that now won’t see light of day or not as they would have before the Wigan salary cap news. I had exclusive SBW portrait & interview on SMH page 1 in 2013 that lasted one edition because of Sharks doping scandal."

@AaronBower: "Spot on re: the timing. Don't buy this 'there was no other day to do it' crap. Cast a cloud over the kick-off and weeks of good hype surrounding the season"

@scratchingshed2: “Robert Elstone looks in the mirror, goes to straighten his tie, finds his hand tied behind his back #newbeginnings #rugbyleague #pointsnotpersonalities.”

@MartynSadler: “I think @WiganWarriorsRLs response to their two-points deduction for a minor salary cap offence committed in 2017 is persuasive. The punishment should surely have been a fine. I hope the club appeals successfully.”

@garethwalker: "Whether you think the timing of Wigan cap announcement is good or bad for RL (can see both sides of that), what it has undoubtedly done is again take attention away from the players and onto administrators ahead of the new season - something the sport seems to be a master of"

@PaulBennettLW: "Not buying the idea that the Wigan cap news damages the season launch. Internally perhaps it takes some shine off ‘New Beginnings’ ... but it should at least grab us some headlines."

@Johnnyddavidson: “The RFL announced Wigan’s salary cap penalty today to sabotage the launch of the new Super League season”.

You have to love a conspiracy, don’t you?" And here's some reaction from supporters:

@carlbramhall: “Seems a bit harsh for breaching the salary cap by 0.8%.”

Hull FC fan, @markl_17: “Wigan warriors deducted 2 points for breach of salary cap and will start the season on -2 points. FARCE !!!! -2 points !! The club as a whole have broken the rules -2 isn't enough of a punishment !”

@matt_young: “They should be stripped of all their titles. Wigan are used to getting away with things and that's the only way they'll learn.”

@AlexG6: “You’ll find no logic to it Phil. Every RL journo has alluded to it but hasn’t just come out and said it - It’s simply blatant payback for the rebellion and everybody knows it. This war will continue to bubble away.”

@Paulfinchauthor: "The timing is the controversy here. The 2 points is an issue, but that can be appealed. The timing gaffe by the RFL is the choker. Contrary to the myth, there IS such a thing as bad publicity - especially where RL is concerned, as most folk hear almost nothing else about it."

Mike Brandon: “The sport is its own worst enemy.... How can you have financial restrictions in today’s game and expect to compete with other unrestricted sports and produce increases in revenue gain wider exposure? Same fish, same pond, same stupid rules and format.”

Ian Hardman: “So Wigan have been stitched up twice in two days by the RFL. Maybe the Warriors should rejoin the RFU”

Jill Ashcroft: “Should fine the club, by deducting points is like fining the fans!! out of order!!!!”

Katrina Robinson: “Never understood points deduction. It was in 2017! It has absolutely nothing to do with the 2019 season. Also, £14,700??? Behave yourselves!!! Fine the club a satisfactory amount then let that be the end of it!”

Drew Parr: “Tryin to do everythin to stop wigan Baskin in our glory, no world cup game n point deduction, they be sayin we have to play in blindfolds next �� come on warriors show um”

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Re: Wigan Warriors: Super League champions receive two-point deduction

Post by pearsy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:41 pm

Let's have poll to see how long it takes Wigey to mention this

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Post by medlocke » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:06 pm

pearsy wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:41 pm
Let's have poll to see how long it takes Wigey to mention this
I expect it to be within the first minute of opening his gob, I have also been wondering how many times he will begrudgingly call us the champions

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Post by OAMJSONA » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:43 pm

Come and join us at the Warriors for our outlook on on how to approach accountancy the amateur way . for this to happen is just utter stupidity and now the club get 2 points deduction.Will we win the appeal will we heckers like
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Post by shaunedwardsfanclub » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:09 pm

You are probably right but it is a very poor decision. Law is set on precedent and the deduction of two points is totally opposite to what has happened in the past. It will be interesting to see what happens when another club steps over the mark. With regard to the financial administration within the club you are correct better procedures should be in place and IFL’s excuse, whilst it is probably true, is not acceptable.
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Post by EagleEyePie » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:40 pm

Unsurprisingly, the chairman of Bradford Bulls, Andrew Chalmers, has waded into the debate with typical restraint and moderation.
Speaking of the salary cap, oh dear oh dear. What a pickle Wigan has gotten themselves into, again; with yet another salary cap breach.

Before commenting on the big news of the week, can someone help me here and explain precisely what a “technical breach” is, which apparently is what some commentators are referring it to as?

Call me Kiwi but surely a breach is, well, a breach; a pretty straightforward black and white issue; you either did or you didn’t break the rules of the competition?

If I was breaking the speed limit, I would be speeding; not technically, but actually. Maybe I’ll try that argument if I get flashed. “I am sorry your honour, I was only technically speeding”. I would be laughed out of court and off the planet.

No, this is a clear attempt to minimise the adverse PR associated with what some old fashioned folk would simply call cheating.

I can imagine Wigan chairman Ian Lenagan and his club spin doctors furiously phoning around anyone and everyone seeking to get their mitigation in first; for fear of being labelled cheats after what the RFL auditors have found to be a clear breach of the rules of the competition.


Let me tell you, I know, from our own salary cap returns, that they are based on honesty and self-declaration. I am not sure how you can innocently under report costs?

The average man in the street, might conclude it’s either wilful dishonesty, or at the very least it’s sheer incompetence.

Apparently chairman Lenagan is taking personal responsibility for it, which is right and proper, and for which he deserves respect. He should now do the honourable thing and resign.

I mean the whole positivity about the new season, the much-vaunted and expensive relaunch; the “new beginning” has been frankly demolished by this stain on the sport. New beginnings, or same failings?

Super League CEO Robert Elstone has been predictably silent. Worse still; the only thing Elstone has got a reputation for so far is slavishly mimicking the NRL. Well the NRL have had a fair share of salary cap scandals recently. They all play out the same way.

Protestations and denials from an outraged club, who quickly go quiet, when the full facts emerge and officers and club officials get barred or stood down. Let’s see if Mr Elstone’s public admiration of all things NRL stand the icy blast of having to apply those same behavioural standards to those who hired him. I think we all know the answer.

If the actual offence wasn’t bad enough, the adverse coverage is being perpetuated by the running of an appeal. The defence that was offered is suitably laughable.


Apparently the finance team at this multi-million pound well resourced business were over stretched. Thankfully the club have reported they have been co-operating fully.

The next defence is even worse. It amounts to “well we didn’t actually prosper, 2016 was our worst year.” Is this a joke, is it April 1?

I suspect there will be little sympathy around the rugby league for Lenegan’s plight.

There is too much contempt and bad feeling for the divisive activities of the last 12 months, and some people will find it deliciously ironic that the man who was roundly at the centre of this division has been unmasked so royally.

Only recently he was pontificating about it being better “to be right and win”, before somehow converting a 19-16 club vote, into an apparently overwhelming winning margin, conveniently omitting that it was the weighted voting that delivered it. What patronising claptrap.

Why, for instance should Salford get twice as many voting rights as our own club. It is immoral and unethical and results in poor decisions.

To be fair, winners are grinners as they say and the real villains of the piece are those weak Championship and League One clubs who pathetically succumbed to pressure in equal measure to give away their only negotiating card for what, a pre-season friendly against a Super League Academy side.

Remind me again what was the attendance at the mouth-watering natural pre-season match up of Workington v Huddersfield Academy??

Of course there is something of a pattern of behaviour emerging at Wigan, the club that like to present itself as the biggest and the best.

In my first year at Bradford they again were sanctioned for breaching the rules….only technically breaching them you understand……..for unilaterally calling off a Sky fixture to preserve the playing surface for the their football landlords.

More recently our own junior John Bateman had to take the extraordinary action of issuing his own statement to contradict a Wigan press release saying he had agreed to re-join the club at the end of his three year stint at Canberra. And even more recently Lenagan takes a none too subtle dig at Leeds, Castleford and Featherstone saying Zak Hardaker’s previous clubs should have tackled his behavioural issues and that Wigan will now sort it out.

Well I hope they do for England’s sake…and I hope that have more success than they clearly didn’t have had sorting Joel and Sam Tomkins's behavioural issues out, if the bar room revulsion is anything to go by. What hypocrisy.

You have to wonder if there is something in the water generally over Wigan way.

First of all you have all the cultural issues at the rugby club and now you have the leader of the council bellyaching about the World Cup venues announced this week.

Apparently Wigan Council are not content with getting a mere three fixtures at their Leigh Sporting Village and demanded an even greater share.

We at the Bulls were equally disappointed in Bradford missing out on hosting rights, but we didn’t go spouting off claiming false outrage.

The tournament has made its decisions and while disappointed for the City of Bradford, we need to move on, and we do hope both World Cups are a great success.
He may well have some valid points, but to come out with all of that, the guy is clearly a few crumbs short of a biscuit.

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Post by Mike » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:53 pm

EagleEyePie wrote:Unsurprisingly, the chairman of Bradford Bulls, Andrew Chalmers, has waded into the debate with typical restraint and moderation.
Speaking of the salary cap, oh dear oh dear. What a pickle Wigan has gotten themselves into, again; with yet another salary cap breach.

Before commenting on the big news of the week, can someone help me here and explain precisely what a “technical breach” is, which apparently is what some commentators are referring it to as?

Call me Kiwi but surely a breach is, well, a breach; a pretty straightforward black and white issue; you either did or you didn’t break the rules of the competition?

If I was breaking the speed limit, I would be speeding; not technically, but actually. Maybe I’ll try that argument if I get flashed. “I am sorry your honour, I was only technically speeding”. I would be laughed out of court and off the planet.

No, this is a clear attempt to minimise the adverse PR associated with what some old fashioned folk would simply call cheating.

I can imagine Wigan chairman Ian Lenagan and his club spin doctors furiously phoning around anyone and everyone seeking to get their mitigation in first; for fear of being labelled cheats after what the RFL auditors have found to be a clear breach of the rules of the competition.


Let me tell you, I know, from our own salary cap returns, that they are based on honesty and self-declaration. I am not sure how you can innocently under report costs?

The average man in the street, might conclude it’s either wilful dishonesty, or at the very least it’s sheer incompetence.

Apparently chairman Lenagan is taking personal responsibility for it, which is right and proper, and for which he deserves respect. He should now do the honourable thing and resign.

I mean the whole positivity about the new season, the much-vaunted and expensive relaunch; the “new beginning” has been frankly demolished by this stain on the sport. New beginnings, or same failings?

Super League CEO Robert Elstone has been predictably silent. Worse still; the only thing Elstone has got a reputation for so far is slavishly mimicking the NRL. Well the NRL have had a fair share of salary cap scandals recently. They all play out the same way.

Protestations and denials from an outraged club, who quickly go quiet, when the full facts emerge and officers and club officials get barred or stood down. Let’s see if Mr Elstone’s public admiration of all things NRL stand the icy blast of having to apply those same behavioural standards to those who hired him. I think we all know the answer.

If the actual offence wasn’t bad enough, the adverse coverage is being perpetuated by the running of an appeal. The defence that was offered is suitably laughable.


Apparently the finance team at this multi-million pound well resourced business were over stretched. Thankfully the club have reported they have been co-operating fully.

The next defence is even worse. It amounts to “well we didn’t actually prosper, 2016 was our worst year.” Is this a joke, is it April 1?

I suspect there will be little sympathy around the rugby league for Lenegan’s plight.

There is too much contempt and bad feeling for the divisive activities of the last 12 months, and some people will find it deliciously ironic that the man who was roundly at the centre of this division has been unmasked so royally.

Only recently he was pontificating about it being better “to be right and win”, before somehow converting a 19-16 club vote, into an apparently overwhelming winning margin, conveniently omitting that it was the weighted voting that delivered it. What patronising claptrap.

Why, for instance should Salford get twice as many voting rights as our own club. It is immoral and unethical and results in poor decisions.

To be fair, winners are grinners as they say and the real villains of the piece are those weak Championship and League One clubs who pathetically succumbed to pressure in equal measure to give away their only negotiating card for what, a pre-season friendly against a Super League Academy side.

Remind me again what was the attendance at the mouth-watering natural pre-season match up of Workington v Huddersfield Academy??

Of course there is something of a pattern of behaviour emerging at Wigan, the club that like to present itself as the biggest and the best.

In my first year at Bradford they again were sanctioned for breaching the rules….only technically breaching them you understand……..for unilaterally calling off a Sky fixture to preserve the playing surface for the their football landlords.

More recently our own junior John Bateman had to take the extraordinary action of issuing his own statement to contradict a Wigan press release saying he had agreed to re-join the club at the end of his three year stint at Canberra. And even more recently Lenagan takes a none too subtle dig at Leeds, Castleford and Featherstone saying Zak Hardaker’s previous clubs should have tackled his behavioural issues and that Wigan will now sort it out.

Well I hope they do for England’s sake…and I hope that have more success than they clearly didn’t have had sorting Joel and Sam Tomkins's behavioural issues out, if the bar room revulsion is anything to go by. What hypocrisy.

You have to wonder if there is something in the water generally over Wigan way.

First of all you have all the cultural issues at the rugby club and now you have the leader of the council bellyaching about the World Cup venues announced this week.

Apparently Wigan Council are not content with getting a mere three fixtures at their Leigh Sporting Village and demanded an even greater share.

We at the Bulls were equally disappointed in Bradford missing out on hosting rights, but we didn’t go spouting off claiming false outrage.

The tournament has made its decisions and while disappointed for the City of Bradford, we need to move on, and we do hope both World Cups are a great success.
He may well have some valid points, but to come out with all of that, the guy is clearly a few crumbs short of a biscuit.
So how does he explain the last "breach" we had where we were punished for not breaking the cap! Black and White eh?

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