Tonight's game v Wakefield

[EDINBURGH-WARRIOR]

Much as I like Minski he is our 3rd choice winger and giving him the extra year and singing his praises to high heaven Peet has made a rod for his own back and feels he has to play him to save face. Field at full back French on the wing and Cust or Rocky at 6 is the way to go for me . We have signed Thornley three times and I'm still waiting for a decent return from him .

EW

[fozzieskem]

Much as I like Minski he is our 3rd choice winger and giving him the extra year and singing his praises to high heaven Peet has made a rod for his own back and feels he has to play him to save face. Field at full back French on the wing and Cust or Rocky at 6 is the way to go for me . We have signed Thornley three times and I'm still waiting for a decent return from him .

EW

Got a point there they seem to have painted themselves into a corner with Miski,good player for sure but as good as French flying down the wing? As good as Marshall pinning his ears back and pumping those little legs of his? I'm not so sure,yes he's improving all the time but Wigan's success last year had those 2 on the wing with Field creating merry hell when he had the chance.

[Caboosegg]

And the one he missed would have won the game no?

Yes but there is not a 100% kicker in SL so you can't rely in kicking goals.

Apart from Wakefield’s tonight you mean? 100% success from their kicker, 60% from ours and we lose.

But he isn't always a 100% kicker so my point is still valid.

Focus on this kicker all you want and I agree we need a better goal kicker but our defence is up and down and that's the issue. We let Wakefield score 4 tries. Other teams have put 30 past us as well.

Defence wins trophies and ours isn't good enough.

[EagleEyePie]

Much as I like Minski he is our 3rd choice winger and giving him the extra year and singing his praises to high heaven Peet has made a rod for his own back and feels he has to play him to save face. Field at full back French on the wing and Cust or Rocky at 6 is the way to go for me . We have signed Thornley three times and I'm still waiting for a decent return from him .

EW

Got a point there they seem to have painted themselves into a corner with Miski,good player for sure but as good as French flying down the wing? As good as Marshall pinning his ears back and pumping those little legs of his? I'm not so sure,yes he's improving all the time but Wigan's success last year had those 2 on the wing with Field creating merry hell when he had the chance.

The problem is we don't have Field creating merry hell this season. We don't have Smith on the right edge either, so while Miski isn't as good as French flying down the wing how are we going to get French flying down the wing when the person in the team most capable of producing the passes to get French flying down the wing is French himself?

French has scored 4 tries while playing wing this year. 2 against Catalans, 1 against Huddersfield and 1 against Salford. (His other 2 tries in the Hudds and Salford games were when he was at fullback). He also had 3 games without scoring in the 6 games he's started on the wing this year.

Miski has 10 tries in 12 games on the wing. It's not like we're massively lacking a threat on the wing and he's scored some very impressive tries this year. One of the reasons he's scoring tries is because of the creativity of French, whether that be at fullback or at stand off. French averages an assist per game at stand off and a try every 2 games.

Field's form was noticeably weaker even at the start of this year and that's one of the reasons why French wasn't scoring for fun early in the year and why the general consensus was he needed to be starting at fullback rather than playing there for part of a game. Field to 6 was also the call because the team attacked much better whenever Field was at 6 and French at 1. I think people forget that Field played 6 quite a few times before his nightmare against Catalans, he just hadn't started many games there.

If I had to be a bit critical of Matt Peet I think he got spooked by the Catalans game. Every time Field played 6 prior to that he had looked okay and his defence had been surprisingly good considering his size and build. One nightmare game after returning from injury and Field at 6 becomes something to avoid at all costs. But it was our weak pack that allowed our edges to be targeted that was the biggest problem. The following week we played Saints and they attack more down their right edge and it was Smith who looked a shambles. Smith isn't a terrible defender, the team just allowed him to be picked out.

Basically, French is our most creative player right now and I don't see how we benefit from moving him into a position (on the wing) where he can't create anything. We'll just be removing a threat from a playmaking position and not sufficiently replacing it.

[nathan_rugby]

Let's be honest we're not very good are we. simple as that ,years of poor recruitment comes home to roost when leigh have a better spine after one year than we do.

Agreed - too many poor signings and relying on youth who aren’t up to it.

Was Cust a good idea to pair with Smith given both their ages and experience?

Was the Ellis and Mago signings the right pair of props given our youth and lack of grunt in that area?

Was Hampshire the right utility signing? Was Thornley?

Unsure on timing but as you can’t align everything but we’ve lost Bateman, McDonnel, Nicholson and soon KPP all at second row.

It seems we’ve signed too many project players, utility players at the same time and things haven’t worked out.

Credit where it’s due on the Wardle and King loan though.

It just feels we’ve got a lot more wrong than right these last few years.

Similarly next year - we’ve signed Leeming who I am fine with but Chan and Walters are both young which doesn’t help us address our problems at prop or even second row if that’s were Walters is playing

[Superb Chops]

Yes so did we & shoved off the m62 stuck on saddleworth moors trying to get home cars broke down all over place What a fecking end to a crap night. Don’t think this road has had so many vehicles on it in one go stop start stop start!
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Next year, maybe for Wakey and Fev, consider using Snakes Pass, if you see any hint of delays on this stretch of the M62.
As daft as that it is, it is probably better than the Buckstones Pass route you were pushed on to.
I live nearby and commute to Leeds and around Greater Manchester. This M62 stretch often seems to have evening works while rush hour is routinely gridlock, meaning the barren A640 is often unexpectedly busy.
On the plus side, less chance of snow unless played in January, February, etc.
Wigan, meanwhile, seem increasingly inconsistent from attending a few games this year. Maybe it’s both playing and coaching that needs improving, beyond sorting out a stand-off?

[Wintergreen]

Much as I like Minski he is our 3rd choice winger and giving him the extra year and singing his praises to high heaven Peet has made a rod for his own back and feels he has to play him to save face. Field at full back French on the wing and Cust or Rocky at 6 is the way to go for me . We have signed Thornley three times and I'm still waiting for a decent return from him .

EW

Got a point there they seem to have painted themselves into a corner with Miski,good player for sure but as good as French flying down the wing? As good as Marshall pinning his ears back and pumping those little legs of his? I'm not so sure,yes he's improving all the time but Wigan's success last year had those 2 on the wing with Field creating merry hell when he had the chance.

The problem is we don't have Field creating merry hell this season. We don't have Smith on the right edge either, so while Miski isn't as good as French flying down the wing how are we going to get French flying down the wing when the person in the team most capable of producing the passes to get French flying down the wing is French himself?

French has scored 4 tries while playing wing this year. 2 against Catalans, 1 against Huddersfield and 1 against Salford. (His other 2 tries in the Hudds and Salford games were when he was at fullback). He also had 3 games without scoring in the 6 games he's started on the wing this year.

Miski has 10 tries in 12 games on the wing. It's not like we're massively lacking a threat on the wing and he's scored some very impressive tries this year. One of the reasons he's scoring tries is because of the creativity of French, whether than be at fullback or at stand off. French averages an assist per game at stand off and a try every 2 games.

Field's form was noticeably weaker even at the start of this year and that's one of the reasons why French wasn't scoring for fun early in the year and why the general consensus was he needed to be starting at fullback rather than playing there for part of a game. Field to 6 was also the call because the team attacked much better whenever Field was at 6 and French at 1. I think people forget that Field played 6 quite a few times before his nightmare against Catalans, he just hadn't started many games there.

If I had to be a bit critical of Matt Peet I think he got spooked by the Catalans game. Every time Field played 6 prior to that he had looked okay and his defence had been surprisingly good considering his size and build. One nightmare game after returning from injury and Field at 6 becomes something to avoid at all costs. But it was our weak pack that allowed our edges to be targeted that was the biggest problem. The following week we played Saints and they attack more down their right edge and it was Smith who looked a shambles. Smith isn't a terrible defender, the team just allowed him to be picked out.

Basically, French is our most creative player right now and I don't see how we benefit from moving him into a position where he can't create anything. We'll just be removing a threat from a playmaking position and not sufficiently replacing it.

I agree that French is not a stand off but this is probably the weirdest statement I have heard in a long time!

The stand off role being a position where nothing is created!

[Blackpool_Pie]

Got a point there they seem to have painted themselves into a corner with Miski,good player for sure but as good as French flying down the wing? As good as Marshall pinning his ears back and pumping those little legs of his? I'm not so sure,yes he's improving all the time but Wigan's success last year had those 2 on the wing with Field creating merry hell when he had the chance.

The problem is we don't have Field creating merry hell this season. We don't have Smith on the right edge either, so while Miski isn't as good as French flying down the wing how are we going to get French flying down the wing when the person in the team most capable of producing the passes to get French flying down the wing is French himself?

French has scored 4 tries while playing wing this year. 2 against Catalans, 1 against Huddersfield and 1 against Salford. (His other 2 tries in the Hudds and Salford games were when he was at fullback). He also had 3 games without scoring in the 6 games he's started on the wing this year.

Miski has 10 tries in 12 games on the wing. It's not like we're massively lacking a threat on the wing and he's scored some very impressive tries this year. One of the reasons he's scoring tries is because of the creativity of French, whether than be at fullback or at stand off. French averages an assist per game at stand off and a try every 2 games.

Field's form was noticeably weaker even at the start of this year and that's one of the reasons why French wasn't scoring for fun early in the year and why the general consensus was he needed to be starting at fullback rather than playing there for part of a game. Field to 6 was also the call because the team attacked much better whenever Field was at 6 and French at 1. I think people forget that Field played 6 quite a few times before his nightmare against Catalans, he just hadn't started many games there.

If I had to be a bit critical of Matt Peet I think he got spooked by the Catalans game. Every time Field played 6 prior to that he had looked okay and his defence had been surprisingly good considering his size and build. One nightmare game after returning from injury and Field at 6 becomes something to avoid at all costs. But it was our weak pack that allowed our edges to be targeted that was the biggest problem. The following week we played Saints and they attack more down their right edge and it was Smith who looked a shambles. Smith isn't a terrible defender, the team just allowed him to be picked out.

Basically, French is our most creative player right now and I don't see how we benefit from moving him into a position where he can't create anything. We'll just be removing a threat from a playmaking position and not sufficiently replacing it.

I agree that French is not a stand off but this is probably the weirdest statement I have heard in a long time!

The stand off role being a position where nothing is created!

The point being made (I think) isn't that the position is where nothing is created but where French doesn't create much because he isn't suited to the position. That's probably where I stand on it as well. The problem at the moment is we don't actually have another stand off. Peet blatantly doesn't trust Cust to play stand off and wants French and Field in the team

[Blackpool_Pie]

Much as I like Minski he is our 3rd choice winger and giving him the extra year and singing his praises to high heaven Peet has made a rod for his own back and feels he has to play him to save face. Field at full back French on the wing and Cust or Rocky at 6 is the way to go for me . We have signed Thornley three times and I'm still waiting for a decent return from him .

EW

Got a point there they seem to have painted themselves into a corner with Miski,good player for sure but as good as French flying down the wing? As good as Marshall pinning his ears back and pumping those little legs of his? I'm not so sure,yes he's improving all the time but Wigan's success last year had those 2 on the wing with Field creating merry hell when he had the chance.

I'd say Miski has been better than Marshall since Marshalls injury. He's not seemed right to me and he made a number of mistakes last night.

[endoman]

Yes so did we & shoved off the m62 stuck on saddleworth moors trying to get home cars broke down all over place What a fecking end to a crap night. Don’t think this road has had so many vehicles on it in one go stop start stop start!

Next year, maybe for Wakey and Fev, consider using Snakes Pass, if you see any hint of delays on this stretch of the M62.
As daft as that it is, it is probably better than the Buckstones Pass route you were pushed on to.
I live nearby and commute to Leeds and around Greater Manchester. This M62 stretch often seems to have evening works while rush hour is routinely gridlock, meaning the barren A640 is often unexpectedly busy.
On the plus side, less chance of snow unless played in January, February, etc.
Wigan, meanwhile, seem increasingly inconsistent from attending a few games this year. Maybe it’s both playing and coaching that needs improving, beyond sorting out a stand-off?
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Woodhead I can understand, ( A628) but Snake Pass ( A57) is a poor option, you'd have to go down to Sheffield to get to it, and it's been closed quite often for landslips.