Time for a different captain

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DaveO
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Time for a different captain

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Given Millwards comments that the club can't bring anyone in because there is no one available he is stuck with the current playing staff. He needs to do something radical with the staff he has got.

Since there is no leadership on the pitch he should put O'Loughlin out of his misery and take the captaincy off him before it ruins the player and possibly the club.

He may have captained every U21 team going but this is very diffeerent and he isn't up to it.

Apart from playing everyone out of position :roll: this is one of the few changes he can actually make to the current squad.

There are few candiates. Well two basically. Fletcher and Orr. Of those two only one looks to have any passion about him at the moment and that is everyones favourite half back, Danny Orr.

If Millward persists with what appears to be a head-in-the-sand apporach ignoring the obvious lack of on-field leadership it will be one of the factors that will get him the sack in my opinion.

Dave
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Wonder why you got no responses to your latest wind up.............
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jinkin jimmy posted:
Wonder why you got no responses to your latest wind up.............
Suggesting O'Loghlin is not a suitable captain is a wind up is it?

Since I said it before he was appointed and he is giving no on-field leadership it is a fair point in my opinion.

Something has got to change and there is very little Millward can do. This he could do.

YOu seem to have some problem with my posts and seem the feel need to make some sinde remark on a fairlly regutlar basis.

Grow up!

Dave
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DaveO posted:
Given Millwards comments that the club can't bring anyone in because there is no one available he is stuck with the current playing staff. He needs to do something radical with the staff he has got.

Since there is no leadership on the pitch he should put O'Loughlin out of his misery and take the captaincy off him before it ruins the player and possibly the club.

He may have captained every U21 team going but this is very diffeerent and he isn't up to it.

Apart from playing everyone out of position this is one of the few changes he can actually make to the current squad.

There are few candiates. Well two basically. Fletcher and Orr. Of those two only one looks to have any passion about him at the moment and that is everyones favourite half back, Danny Orr.

If Millward persists with what appears to be a head-in-the-sand apporach ignoring the obvious lack of on-field leadership it will be one of the factors that will get him the sack in my opinion.

Dave
I agree with most of what you are saying there is a definite lack of leadership on the pitch. In the Castleford game when Cas scored the players group around in a circle like they always do but Sean O'Loughlin our captain was stood on his own. O'Loughlin is a talented player but he is not ready to be the captain of Wigan. It was Danny Orr how was talking to the players at Cas trying to get them to improve their games and it was Bryan Fletcher doing the same at Warrington.

Andy Farrell was a great captain because he wasn't afraid to get stuck into his players and tell them what he though. The difference is that Farrell had earn his respect at Wigan and when Farrell spoke people listened.

Sean O'Loughlin can't command the respect that Farrell did and if you don't have the respect of the rest of the team then they won't listen to you.

If Millward doesn't sort out the problem then at worse the team could start to fall apart inside because O'Loughlin isn't doing a good job and player might start to turn to others in the club for leadership.
jinkin jimmy posted:
Wonder why you got no responses to your latest wind up.............
Would you stop making comments like this in every thread, people are entitled to their own opinions. This board is great apart from when people start making stupid comments like yours. If you want to make sensible comments then please do so but stop with the remarks like the one above.
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I agree with you Dave, once again yesterday lockers was silent while Danny Orr was trying his best to motivate the players, but Fletcher has the experience and maturity to lead the team at this point in time. Godwin wears the shirt with pride and always plays his heart out thats more that can be said for the others, why is he not gven more game time?
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wagga isn't given more game time because, Mr Millward brought in Mr Higham and needs to prove that it was a good deal
Saints are just wiganers who haven't fully evolved

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JJwilliams
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Yes, i know that was the reason in the first few games but wagga has proven himself to be the better player.
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DaveO posted:
jinkin jimmy posted:
Wonder why you got no responses to your latest wind up.............
Suggesting O'Loghlin is not a suitable captain is a wind up is it?

Since I said it before he was appointed and he is giving no on-field leadership it is a fair point in my opinion.

Something has got to change and there is very little Millward can do. This he could do.

YOu seem to have some problem with my posts and seem the feel need to make some sinde remark on a fairlly regutlar basis.

Grow up!

Dave
Seems a pretty fair shout to me.

Apparently there were arguments going on under the posts yesterday (exactly when is hard to determine as the team spent a lot of time there) after our paper thin defense was breached time and again.

Surely it is the Captain's job to step in and say what needs to be said? I like Lockers; however I think that a change of Captaincy is one avenue that really needs to be explored. If the team don't want to play for IM that is one thing; however they should still play for the Captain and the club and clearly that is not happening.

Jinkin J - what are your suggestions? You've accused people of being bar room coaches and made countless snide remarks about comments people have made.

Clearly Wigan are in a dire situation and things are looking pretty bad - what do you suggest? It's all very well to criticise other people's ideas; however if you're not offering any of your own then you sound just like WNAC (who incidently was adamant that IM would save us from the fate Dennis Betts had given us)
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So the captain has so much influence he can stop players knocking on etc and giving possession to the opposition. Let's get the basic fundamentals right before we seek scapegoats.

Bottom Line, Wigan never get parity of possession. The opposition enjoy 60-70%+ possession. We will always lose until those figures change.
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cpwigan posted:
So the captain has so much influence he can stop players knocking on etc and giving possession to the opposition. Let's get the basic fundamentals right before we seek scapegoats.

Bottom Line, Wigan never get parity of possession. The opposition enjoy 60-70%+ possession. We will always lose until those figures change.
Simple question. Do you think O'Loughlin is doing a good job as captain? If so why?

Dave
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