Team v Hud

[w.thomas]

I thought most players improved from the last 2 games. Thompson and marshy were awesome as usual. Smith had a stinker but he's still class and maybe just struggling a bit with the responsibility of all the play going through him. My worries are the forwards, although massively improved in the 2nd half, I thought Harvard and Dupree weren't good enough. Im a big fan of both but Dupree especially isn't making enough yards, maybe time to give him a rest and bring in one of the other props. Paddy for me had a better game but there's plenty more room for improvement from him. Worried about Leigh down that right hand side with our defence but hopefully we can tighten it up and show them why they are just a bus stop in Wigan.

[Blackpool_Pie]

I thought most players improved from the last 2 games. Thompson and marshy were awesome as usual. Smith had a stinker but he's still class and maybe just struggling a bit with the responsibility of all the play going through him. My worries are the forwards, although massively improved in the 2nd half, I thought Harvard and Dupree weren't good enough. Im a big fan of both but Dupree especially isn't making enough yards, maybe time to give him a rest and bring in one of the other props. Paddy for me had a better game but there's plenty more room for improvement from him. Worried about Leigh down that right hand side with our defence but hopefully we can tighten it up and show them why they are just a bus stop in Wigan.

Just to touch on Mago. He played more minutes last night that usual. He didn't make any mistakes either and made some good carries. As you say, much room for improvement for him, but he's very important in my eyes. He lifts the crowd which in turn lifts the players around him. I also noticed his tackling last night. He did actually put himself about and his tackle technique is pretty noticeable too. He doesn't make high shots. He usually goes low which for a bigger guy is an effort to do time and time again. In short, I was impressed and hope he can build on that sort of outing

[Wintergreen]

strange game of 2 halves, but i reckon it could have been very different from minute 1. Marshy ankle tapped, if he'd have gone on to score or pass inside i think we would have taken loads of confidence from that, and won comfortably. however, he didnt and the rest of the 1st half was a dire / turgid game of rugby to watch. very slow potb, and way too many unforced handling errors

2nd half, far better and the confidence from Wardles try was noticeable (hence my reference to the 1st minute above).

IMO Thompson would have been motm as he was the only forward really making any sort of dent in the Hudds line in the 1st half consistently

in reference to other posters calling out plan A / B. Hudds did some homework, and either the centre or 2nd row on either side of their defence was out of the line very quickly (going to give them the benefit of doubt, as they were up offside most of the game) and cut out the Wigan ball player, whether that was Smith or Hampshire. We need to learn to play against that play, or everyone is going to start trying it. I know we can use the cut out pass (but 2 interceptions last week show the risks), so a little chip in behind, or an alternative runner / angle must be an option to negate where they are trying to close down our play going wide?

Exactly. I am sure MP was able to indentify that from his lofty viewing position. However, instead of responding to it e.g. chip over the top, players coming through on the angle etc, we did exactly the same as we always do............and got shut down.

If people are getting fixated on the term "Plan B" then maybe it should be replaced with "adjusting to the situation in front of you".

Either way it's the same point that is being made.

You mean like the midfield kick over the top for the Hampshire try or the kick behind the defensive line from the scrum?

It's not the terminology that's the problem, Wintergreen, but the fact that you're completely ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative in order to "prove" your point.

I'd even argue that the 'plan A' of Jai Field doing something extraordinary is "adjusting to the situation in front of you" .

You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous.

We didn't chip over the top in midfield (something that, at best, is only very rarely done by any team anyway). That doesn't equate to having no plan B, or however you choose to phrase it. Not unless plan A now incorporates the many things that aren't French or Field doing something extraordinary or Smith kicking to the corner. That would make plan A a pretty comprehensive playbook.

The kick for Eckersley was after the game was won so I am not reading too much into that. I am more interested in tactics when the game is ON rather than won. Tactics that can change the game when it needs to be changed, or at least attempt to do so. What did Einstein say about the definition of insanity?

I have no particular desire to prove anything, in fact I would be delighted if I can look back on my posts in a fortnight and laugh at how over the top they are.

However, let's humour your post for a second.

"You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous. "

I am assuming that when you say "you can't" what you actually mean is "you shouldn't". I'll proceed on that basis.

Your above statement is the exact reverse of my thought process. I didn't extrapolate anything. I found and example that supported my feeling and listed it. It's pretty much standard practice to back up any point that you wish to make with evidence.

I'm not a "hater" (whatever that is) or somebody who takes delight in watching Wigan RL lose. I am a supporter who airs my views on a public forum, nothing more, nothing less.

If you are happy with the current performances, then I'm pleased for you.

I happen to think there is room for improvement and highlight area's where I think that can happen.

[Mike]

Exactly. I am sure MP was able to indentify that from his lofty viewing position. However, instead of responding to it e.g. chip over the top, players coming through on the angle etc, we did exactly the same as we always do............and got shut down.

If people are getting fixated on the term "Plan B" then maybe it should be replaced with "adjusting to the situation in front of you".

Either way it's the same point that is being made.

You mean like the midfield kick over the top for the Hampshire try or the kick behind the defensive line from the scrum?

It's not the terminology that's the problem, Wintergreen, but the fact that you're completely ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative in order to "prove" your point.

I'd even argue that the 'plan A' of Jai Field doing something extraordinary is "adjusting to the situation in front of you" .

You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous.

We didn't chip over the top in midfield (something that, at best, is only very rarely done by any team anyway). That doesn't equate to having no plan B, or however you choose to phrase it. Not unless plan A now incorporates the many things that aren't French or Field doing something extraordinary or Smith kicking to the corner. That would make plan A a pretty comprehensive playbook.

The kick for Eckersley was after the game was won so I am not reading too much into that. I am more interested in tactics when the game is ON rather than won. Tactics that can change the game when it needs to be changed, or at least attempt to do so. What did Einstein say about the definition of insanity?

I have no particular desire to prove anything, in fact I would be delighted if I can look back on my posts in a fortnight and laugh at how over the top they are.

However, let's humour your post for a second.

"You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous. "

I am assuming that when you say "you can't" what you actually mean is "you shouldn't". I'll proceed on that basis.

Your above statement is the exact reverse of my thought process. I didn't extrapolate anything. I found and example that supported my feeling and listed it. It's pretty much standard practice to back up any point that you wish to make with evidence.

I'm not a "hater" (whatever that is) or somebody who takes delight in watching Wigan RL lose. I am a supporter who airs my views on a public forum, nothing more, nothing less.

If you are happy with the current performances, then I'm pleased for you.

I happen to think there is room for improvement and highlight area's where I think that can happen.

Seems like you're taking 2.5 games of poor form and that to say MP is a poor coach to me. And ignoring or rejecting anything that doesn't fit that narative. Name me one team that's gone through a season unbeaten, or hasn't experienced some dip in form. If this turns into a season long slump then fair enough, the coaching staff have to have questions asked, but after 2.5 games it seems a little negative.

TBH at half time I wanted Peet out. To touchy feely and woke as meds might say...

[Charriots Offiah]

I thought most players improved from the last 2 games. Thompson and marshy were awesome as usual. Smith had a stinker but he's still class and maybe just struggling a bit with the responsibility of all the play going through him. My worries are the forwards, although massively improved in the 2nd half, I thought Harvard and Dupree weren't good enough. Im a big fan of both but Dupree especially isn't making enough yards, maybe time to give him a rest and bring in one of the other props. Paddy for me had a better game but there's plenty more room for improvement from him. Worried about Leigh down that right hand side with our defence but hopefully we can tighten it up and show them why they are just a bus stop in Wigan.

Havard was the top meter maker in our pack with106m, he’s doing ok by me.

[Charriots Offiah]

You mean like the midfield kick over the top for the Hampshire try or the kick behind the defensive line from the scrum?

It's not the terminology that's the problem, Wintergreen, but the fact that you're completely ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative in order to "prove" your point.

I'd even argue that the 'plan A' of Jai Field doing something extraordinary is "adjusting to the situation in front of you" .

You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous.

We didn't chip over the top in midfield (something that, at best, is only very rarely done by any team anyway). That doesn't equate to having no plan B, or however you choose to phrase it. Not unless plan A now incorporates the many things that aren't French or Field doing something extraordinary or Smith kicking to the corner. That would make plan A a pretty comprehensive playbook.

The kick for Eckersley was after the game was won so I am not reading too much into that. I am more interested in tactics when the game is ON rather than won. Tactics that can change the game when it needs to be changed, or at least attempt to do so. What did Einstein say about the definition of insanity?

I have no particular desire to prove anything, in fact I would be delighted if I can look back on my posts in a fortnight and laugh at how over the top they are.

However, let's humour your post for a second.

"You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous. "

I am assuming that when you say "you can't" what you actually mean is "you shouldn't". I'll proceed on that basis.

Your above statement is the exact reverse of my thought process. I didn't extrapolate anything. I found and example that supported my feeling and listed it. It's pretty much standard practice to back up any point that you wish to make with evidence.

I'm not a "hater" (whatever that is) or somebody who takes delight in watching Wigan RL lose. I am a supporter who airs my views on a public forum, nothing more, nothing less.

If you are happy with the current performances, then I'm pleased for you.

I happen to think there is room for improvement and highlight area's where I think that can happen.

Seems like you're taking 2.5 games of poor form and that to say MP is a poor coach to me. And ignoring or rejecting anything that doesn't fit that narative. Name me one team that's gone through a season unbeaten, or hasn't experienced some dip in form. If this turns into a season long slump then fair enough, the coaching staff have to have questions asked, but after 2.5 games it seems a little negative.

TBH at half time I wanted Peet out. To touchy feely and woke as meds might say...

I’m with you Mike although I would dispute 2.5 games, I think we have been poor over the last four games although we definitely improved in the second half yesterday. We just need to keep it simple at the moment. Get in the grind and cut out the errors. Make teams beat us and don’t give it to them on a plate.

[Southern Softy]

We all have differing views about players (Mago would be an obvious example) but I was somewhat staggered to see criticism of Havard. He's a bit like Farrell - when he's not there you realise just what he brings to the team. He'd be one of the first names on my team sheet. Havard, Ellis and Thompson (who must be the fastest prop around judging by his chases to follow up tactical kicks and the number of times he gets back to stop opposition breaks) have been outstanding this season.

[Wintergreen]

You mean like the midfield kick over the top for the Hampshire try or the kick behind the defensive line from the scrum?

It's not the terminology that's the problem, Wintergreen, but the fact that you're completely ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative in order to "prove" your point.

I'd even argue that the 'plan A' of Jai Field doing something extraordinary is "adjusting to the situation in front of you" .

You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous.

We didn't chip over the top in midfield (something that, at best, is only very rarely done by any team anyway). That doesn't equate to having no plan B, or however you choose to phrase it. Not unless plan A now incorporates the many things that aren't French or Field doing something extraordinary or Smith kicking to the corner. That would make plan A a pretty comprehensive playbook.

The kick for Eckersley was after the game was won so I am not reading too much into that. I am more interested in tactics when the game is ON rather than won. Tactics that can change the game when it needs to be changed, or at least attempt to do so. What did Einstein say about the definition of insanity?

I have no particular desire to prove anything, in fact I would be delighted if I can look back on my posts in a fortnight and laugh at how over the top they are.

However, let's humour your post for a second.

"You can't point to a single issue and extrapolate it into a wider issue whilst simultaneously ignoring the multiple examples that prove your point wrong. That's disingenuous. "

I am assuming that when you say "you can't" what you actually mean is "you shouldn't". I'll proceed on that basis.

Your above statement is the exact reverse of my thought process. I didn't extrapolate anything. I found and example that supported my feeling and listed it. It's pretty much standard practice to back up any point that you wish to make with evidence.

I'm not a "hater" (whatever that is) or somebody who takes delight in watching Wigan RL lose. I am a supporter who airs my views on a public forum, nothing more, nothing less.

If you are happy with the current performances, then I'm pleased for you.

I happen to think there is room for improvement and highlight area's where I think that can happen.

Seems like you're taking 2.5 games of poor form and that to say MP is a poor coach to me. And ignoring or rejecting anything that doesn't fit that narative. Name me one team that's gone through a season unbeaten, or hasn't experienced some dip in form. If this turns into a season long slump then fair enough, the coaching staff have to have questions asked, but after 2.5 games it seems a little negative.

TBH at half time I wanted Peet out. To touchy feely and woke as meds might say...

Where did I say that?

[Firestarter]

Im happy with havard and thompson starting as dupree and mago are more impact props.Ide just love to see them both running from slightly deeper positions once they come on

[up the junction]

And they say there’s no such thing as a one man team ? Without Bevan French we seem clueless in attack , hope I’m wrong here but it looks like we could play for another 80 minutes and still not score .

We beat Leigh & then Saints without Bevan or Jai!

I Never mentioned Jai ? And also never mentioned winning . I said we seem clueless in attack without Bevan and stand by that . If we play bad ,,Bevan French usually pulls something out of the top drawer to get us back in the game , luckily last night We stepped up and as I said in a later post I ate my words .