HKR v Wire

[fozzie58]

I’ve just finally seen it how on earth Moore could give that as a try is beyond me,maybe th pitch flits in east hull because that was the only way that ball was ever grounded is staggering I don’t like calling referee out but that was inept.

And he’s supposed to be the best of them.

[Charriots Offiah]

Its simple the ref says to the video panel no definite view it's your call

Exactly.

[WarriorWinger]

I am probably in the minority of one here but I think the ref should make an initial decision before referring it up, if it is so clear cut then it will get overturned, if not then the ref should be the one in control of the game and the VR refers back to the refs original thought on it, as was stated before, the ref should not disallow a try if he is not in a position to see it (or something like that)

[widdenoldboy]

I am probably in the minority of one here but I think the ref should make an initial decision before referring it up, if it is so clear cut then it will get overturned, if not then the ref should be the one in control of the game and the VR refers back to the refs original thought on it, as was stated before, the ref should not disallow a try if he is not in a position to see it (or something like that)

I'm with you on this one, the problem is we always look at these extreme edge cases and try and make the system fit - there will always be times when any system falls down.

In this system the referee has first say and that makes sense as they have a unique view and I'd be happy to have the option to push it up with "no idea, you call it". Problem is that starts to happen too often (and we'd be complaining about that).

[WarriorWinger]

I am probably in the minority of one here but I think the ref should make an initial decision before referring it up, if it is so clear cut then it will get overturned, if not then the ref should be the one in control of the game and the VR refers back to the refs original thought on it, as was stated before, the ref should not disallow a try if he is not in a position to see it (or something like that)

I'm with you on this one, the problem is we always look at these extreme edge cases and try and make the system fit - there will always be times when any system falls down.

In this system the referee has first say and that makes sense as they have a unique view and I'd be happy to have the option to push it up with "no idea, you call it". Problem is that starts to happen too often (and we'd be complaining about that).

The problem with the 'no idea you call it' is what decision does the VR make if it's still unclear, somebody has to be in charge of the game and that should always be the ref, the VR should only overrule the on filed ref if it is clear cut

[the pieman]

I am probably in the minority of one here but I think the ref should make an initial decision before referring it up, if it is so clear cut then it will get overturned, if not then the ref should be the one in control of the game and the VR refers back to the refs original thought on it, as was stated before, the ref should not disallow a try if he is not in a position to see it (or something like that)

I'm with you on this one, the problem is we always look at these extreme edge cases and try and make the system fit - there will always be times when any system falls down.

In this system the referee has first say and that makes sense as they have a unique view and I'd be happy to have the option to push it up with "no idea, you call it". Problem is that starts to happen too often (and we'd be complaining about that).

The problem with the 'no idea you call it' is what decision does the VR make if it's still unclear, somebody has to be in charge of the game and that should always be the ref, the VR should only overrule the on filed ref if it is clear cut

i could be wrong on this but in RU, did they not used to pass it up to the VR, but if they were unsure, then passed it back to the onfield ref to make the final decision

there was a good chat on BBC about it during our half time, where Charnley and Brown both aired their opinions, which ultimately ended up with the same decision of try, with the benefit of doubt to the attacking side. The downside is that good defence is not rewarded if there is benefit of the doubt.

[WarriorWinger]

I'm with you on this one, the problem is we always look at these extreme edge cases and try and make the system fit - there will always be times when any system falls down.

In this system the referee has first say and that makes sense as they have a unique view and I'd be happy to have the option to push it up with "no idea, you call it". Problem is that starts to happen too often (and we'd be complaining about that).

The problem with the 'no idea you call it' is what decision does the VR make if it's still unclear, somebody has to be in charge of the game and that should always be the ref, the VR should only overrule the on filed ref if it is clear cut

i could be wrong on this but in RU, did they not used to pass it up to the VR, but if they were unsure, then passed it back to the onfield ref to make the final decision

there was a good chat on BBC about it during our half time, where Charnley and Brown both aired their opinions, which ultimately ended up with the same decision of try, with the benefit of doubt to the attacking side. The downside is that good defence is not rewarded if there is benefit of the doubt.

I really don't know as I never watch any Union games, so not sure what they do, I was at the game so not sure what was said on TV and not watched the recording back yet.

We have the technology but even then it is not always clear cut, you could have more cameras but that may not always give you a clear view when a player is holding a ball and a defender is trying to hold the ball up, so someone has to give a final decision, either by the ref making the call before it goes up, or handing it back down to the ref, if in the instance in question, the VR would have had to hand it back down to the on-field ref who would have awarded it as a try, which was his first thought anyway, so the outcry of the ref saying try or no try would not matter anyway, the on-field ref is in charge of the game so the final decision has to e with him, that is my opinion anyway.

[moto748]

Surely, 'benefit of the doubt to the attacking side' is a system, we had years ago, that everyone moaned about, so it got changed? Whatever system you use, there will be complaints.

[moto748]

They used to have an option in Union (don't know if they still do, cos they tinker with the rules all the time) for the ref to tell the video ref "Try: yes or no?" (in other words, the on-field ref has no opinion, or can't make one, and the decision is left to the VR). The other option was "Any reason I cannot award the try?", which obviously biases towards the try being valid. I actually think that's a pretty decent formulation.

[mickali1]

Video referees were introduced to eradicate referee errors. Not really worked has it. Why we don't just leave it to the on field refs to make a call is beyond me. I don't believe that referees are inherently biased, yes they make errors (as do we all) but over the course of a season I'm pretty sure it evens itself out so lets just leave it to the man in the middle to do his job.