Southern Softy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:02 am
To be fair to the video ref, with Miski's first try, he was looking to see if there was a double knock-on and I think Dupree had to be interfering with play, standing where he was for Smith's disallowed try.
I thought Saints missed a trick because although Lomax isn't on top form, he would have contributed more than Whitby. I know he's only a kid but you have to be judged on what you do on the field. Percival and Walmesley look to be on the way down so Saints have some rebuilding to do (as if I cared!)
O'Neill was top class and either him or Walters should have been MOM.
There was no need to take that long to make the decision on Miski's tey. It was sent up as a try so they are only supposed to overrule that if there is an obvious reason not to give it. Everyone could see after the first replay it was fine.
The obstruction ruling was bizarre. Dupree was to the left of both defenders. No one came from behind him or to his right (so would have been obstructed).
I am starting to think the VR's think they must find something rather than take into account the ref sent them up as a try
Southern Softy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:02 am
To be fair to the video ref, with Miski's first try, he was looking to see if there was a double knock-on and I think Dupree had to be interfering with play, standing where he was for Smith's disallowed try.
I thought Saints missed a trick because although Lomax isn't on top form, he would have contributed more than Whitby. I know he's only a kid but you have to be judged on what you do on the field. Percival and Walmesley look to be on the way down so Saints have some rebuilding to do (as if I cared!)
O'Neill was top class and either him or Walters should have been MOM.
There was no need to take that long to make the decision on Miski's tey. It was sent up as a try so they are only supposed to overrule that if there is an obvious reason not to give it. Everyone could see after the first replay it was fine.
The obstruction ruling was bizarre. Dupree was to the left of both defenders. No one came from behind him or to his right (so would have been obstructed).
I am starting to think the VR's think they must find something rather than take into account the ref sent them up as a try
Looked pretty obvious that dupre knocked a defender right out of the tackle on the back angles that we saw at the end. Not intentionally, but if he hadn't been in the way the defender would very likely have at least been a factor. Not dupres fault, just like it's not the players fault if someone runs behind you, but still obstruction .
A fair enough decision IMO.
To state the obvious decisions are able to be highly scrutinised using screens. In the past it was the officials decision. Wrong calls were made but there could be no “ evidence “ against the referee. Today fans see what happened on the big pitch side screen with constant replays. This means that events need to be clarified.
I personally would prefer it to be left to the officials. I think that the length of time it takes to arrive at a decision leaves a try in doubt . Slow motion replays don’t help. Walter’s tackle looked worse. The Saints player slipped.
However that couldn’t be done today.
Southern Softy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:02 am
To be fair to the video ref, with Miski's first try, he was looking to see if there was a double knock-on and I think Dupree had to be interfering with play, standing where he was for Smith's disallowed try.
I thought Saints missed a trick because although Lomax isn't on top form, he would have contributed more than Whitby. I know he's only a kid but you have to be judged on what you do on the field. Percival and Walmesley look to be on the way down so Saints have some rebuilding to do (as if I cared!)
O'Neill was top class and either him or Walters should have been MOM.
There was no need to take that long to make the decision on Miski's tey. It was sent up as a try so they are only supposed to overrule that if there is an obvious reason not to give it. Everyone could see after the first replay it was fine.
The obstruction ruling was bizarre. Dupree was to the left of both defenders. No one came from behind him or to his right (so would have been obstructed).
I am starting to think the VR's think they must find something rather than take into account the ref sent them up as a try
Looked pretty obvious that dupre knocked a defender right out of the tackle on the back angles that we saw at the end. Not intentionally, but if he hadn't been in the way the defender would very likely have at least been a factor. Not dupres fault, just like it's not the players fault if someone runs behind you, but still obstruction .
A fair enough decision IMO.
I don’t think Delaney was ever going to make that tackle, Smith had beaten him. However, I do agree that as Smith was scoring Delaney did come into contact with Dupree, but I don’t think it impeded him. At first I think the VR stated that Dupree was fine as he had gone through the line and it was play on, then he changed his mind. It’s all down to the interpretation of the rules. Personally, I think we should adopt the Aussie approach where every try is checked, either that or leave the decision up to the referee. I’ve not looked at again but did Clark push Leeming when Paasi scored?
There was no need to take that long to make the decision on Miski's tey. It was sent up as a try so they are only supposed to overrule that if there is an obvious reason not to give it. Everyone could see after the first replay it was fine.
The obstruction ruling was bizarre. Dupree was to the left of both defenders. No one came from behind him or to his right (so would have been obstructed).
I am starting to think the VR's think they must find something rather than take into account the ref sent them up as a try
Looked pretty obvious that dupre knocked a defender right out of the tackle on the back angles that we saw at the end. Not intentionally, but if he hadn't been in the way the defender would very likely have at least been a factor. Not dupres fault, just like it's not the players fault if someone runs behind you, but still obstruction .
A fair enough decision IMO.
I don’t think Delaney was ever going to make that tackle, Smith had beaten him. However, I do agree that as Smith was scoring Delaney did come into contact with Dupree, but I don’t think it impeded him. At first I think the VR stated that Dupree was fine as he had gone through the line and it was play on, then he changed his mind. It’s all down to the interpretation of the rules. Personally, I think we should adopt the Aussie approach where every try is checked, either that or leave the decision up to the referee. I’ve not looked at again but did Clark push Leeming when Paasi scored?
I think Paasi ran towards and made contact Clarke who is the player that had played the ball, again I don’t think Leeming was getting there, but the rules call that obstruction and the attacking player should surrender.
Looked pretty obvious that dupre knocked a defender right out of the tackle on the back angles that we saw at the end. Not intentionally, but if he hadn't been in the way the defender would very likely have at least been a factor. Not dupres fault, just like it's not the players fault if someone runs behind you, but still obstruction .
A fair enough decision IMO.
I don’t think Delaney was ever going to make that tackle, Smith had beaten him. However, I do agree that as Smith was scoring Delaney did come into contact with Dupree, but I don’t think it impeded him. At first I think the VR stated that Dupree was fine as he had gone through the line and it was play on, then he changed his mind. It’s all down to the interpretation of the rules. Personally, I think we should adopt the Aussie approach where every try is checked, either that or leave the decision up to the referee. I’ve not looked at again but did Clark push Leeming when Paasi scored?
I think Paasi ran towards and made contact Clarke who is the player that had played the ball, again I don’t think Leeming was getting there, but the rules call that obstruction and the attacking player should surrender.
Thanks, I will have a closer look when I have time.
josie andrews wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:57 pm
I thought it was a great gesture from Matt Peet to congratulate George Whitby on his performance after the game. And what good interview he gave. Just hope playing with the likes of Welsby doesn’t spoil him!
You’ll like this one, the Saints fans have accused Matt of tapping him up for Wigan
I don’t think Delaney was ever going to make that tackle, Smith had beaten him. However, I do agree that as Smith was scoring Delaney did come into contact with Dupree, but I don’t think it impeded him. At first I think the VR stated that Dupree was fine as he had gone through the line and it was play on, then he changed his mind. It’s all down to the interpretation of the rules. Personally, I think we should adopt the Aussie approach where every try is checked, either that or leave the decision up to the referee. I’ve not looked at again but did Clark push Leeming when Paasi scored?
I think Paasi ran towards and made contact Clarke who is the player that had played the ball, again I don’t think Leeming was getting there, but the rules call that obstruction and the attacking player should surrender.
Thanks, I will have a closer look when I have time.
Leeming was pushed. That split second made a huge difference. Poor that we didn't challenge the try decision on that for me
I just re-watched the match, and a couple of things stood out for me. One was Field's first try. I remember at the ground the 'nothing' play before, when French just shifted the ball sideways to Farrell, who was quickly dominated. I remember my neighbour at the stadium throwing his hands up in despair. But it made a lot more sense when he was then able to step into a bit of open space and put in that pinpoint kick. And the second thing was the final try for Miski; there was a very similar situation early in the second half, when French and Eckersley pressurised Sailor, but on that occasion he just about got away with it. But on kick chases, and also stopping Saints make early wide shifts out of defence, we were in their faces all night. And when French knocked Sailor's arm to free the ball, that try was reward for all that effort.
