Lindsay

[DaveO]

TWO EYED WARRIOR posted:
Dave o , So we are all straight on this and not going round in circles can you let us all know your stance on MO please! dont use moderator speak or try to play devils advocate! in laymans terms what is your opinion/stance on MO.

I ask this as you are posting things and you obviously mean something else!

I am convinced you must have been on on the pop if you think that!

Mo is always being cited by fans as the one who made all the signings pre-Millward. This is considered a bad thing by many.

Some people (including you I think) are now saying that can't have been the case.

If it wasn't the case he can't be slagged off for making all the signings pre-Millward.

I am trying to point out the inconsistency.

I am also making the point that when Mo gave up on making all the signings and handed it over to Millward, it could be argued that Millwards signings are not good e.g. Newton for Higham.

In general I think people are quick to slag Mo off and will attribute failings to him that he wasn't directly involved in, for example the signings Millward made.

I don't think he is immune from criticism, for example I think how he handled the Farrall saga was the worst bit of administration in his entire time at the club.

I am just trying to be objective and taking each thing he does as they come and not basing my opinion on that on other things he did or didn't do.

I don't think he is all good and neither do I think he is all bad.

Dave

[DaveO]

TWO EYED WARRIOR posted:

For proof dave look at some of your previous postings you ll see what i mean!

In this thread I reckon I have been pretty consistent on what I have sad about Mo.

Are you a politician! I think you need to take that fence post out of your arse as it must have started to fester by know!

Pleny of people have jumped off the fence one way or the other as regards Mo and won't go over to the other side no matter what he does even for a minute.

I am not going to stand by everything Mo does but I don't see the point in slagging him off for no good reason.

Dave

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What talent?

[damien morrissey]

Bloody hell i spent ages replying to this then the site crashed and i have had to start again.

Where do i start on this one. Dave do you dissect posts to make directly replying difficult?This is the short version.

I know he didnt sell CP you told me this a couple of years ago. His poor financial control over the years he was in charge was a massive factor in the end result.


Some great signings all down to MO agree. Lam for coach not me mate and i have posted this and my opinion 2 days ago. His best signing in the last five years was Furner but due to him being unable to control the wage bill we had to sell him to Leeds who were on the up.And they are building and winning titles where as we are are bottom of the league.

I have tried in my post to be fair in the situation and not sack him cos i dont like anymore.He could quite easily step down from the board and take more responsibility at the Latics.Unless he does this the same people will have the same conversation. This time we will have lost yet another manager.As you say changing coaches isnt the solution our stats prove this.

As i say the shortened version and i hope this clears my opinion up.

[jinkin jimmy]

Where do i start on this one. Dave do you dissect posts to make directly replying difficult?This is the short version.

At last someone else has cottoned onto his tactic!! I have been saying the same for ages!!

[DaveO]

damien morrissey posted:
Bloody hell i spent ages replying to this then the site crashed and i have had to start again.

Where do i start on this one. Dave do you dissect posts to make directly replying difficult?

No, the reason I do it is explained here:

http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting.html


Here is a quote form the artical:

"Summary: the best way to arrange the quoted and new text is to insert the new text on new lines within the quoted text, so that it always immediately follows the relevant portion of the quoted text."

This has been around for years as the acceptefd way to respond to usenet and email and works just as well here in my opinion.

I assume you have never used Usenet? If you did and you didn't follow these guidlines you would quickly be told off.

I know he didnt sell CP you told me this a couple of years ago. His poor financial control over the years he was in charge was a massive factor in the end result.

Whether it was a massive factor is debateable in my opinion. He left in 1992 and Robinsin went in 1997. Five years is a long time for Mo's financial influence to be a massive factor.

In my opinion the two biggest factors were the cost of the Whitbread stand and the salary bidding war the club entered into to retain the services of players like Conolly and Robinson.

Some great signings all down to MO agree. Lam for coach not me mate and i have posted this and my opinion 2 days ago. His best signing in the last five years was Furner but due to him being unable to control the wage bill we had to sell him to Leeds who were on the up.And they are building and winning titles where as we are are bottom of the league.

Leeds success is no better than ours in the SL era. One GF win and one CC win. That is all.

It is certainly true we were lumbered with some big contracts when the flst rate salary cap came in but that was IMO a stich up by G Hethrington and C Caisley. They were the main architects of the flat rate cap.

There was argument about what level the cap should e at and it was set in such a way as Leeds and Bradford did not need to shed players.

Quite a few clubs wanted it set lower but when it was set it matched both Leeds and Bradford wage bill so they did not have to scrabble about working out who to sell.

At the time G Hethrington was quoted as saying only one club would be affected.

They could have asked Wigan how long the longest contract was and phased it in over a few years but instead gave a one year dispensation and then that was it. Wigan were theonly club who had to change their playing staff due to the cap so if they didn't do it very well who is to say other clubs would have handled it better?

I have tried in my post to be fair in the situation and not sack him cos i dont like anymore.He could quite easily step down from the board and take more responsibility at the Latics.Unless he does this the same people will have the same conversation. This time we will have lost yet another manager.As you say changing coaches isnt the solution our stats prove this.
As i say the shortened version and i hope this clears my opinion up.

I don't think Mo is guilty of half of what he is accused of. I don't think he sacked Millward off his own bat either.

Dave[/url]

[jammie]

the chairman used to be the one putting the money into the club.but since dw got his hands on the club and got us out of our real home (central park)he is the one with the money to hire and fire so mo is just dw's puppet.so who do you appoint as a new chairman,or should i say another puppet.

[oldtimer]

it is obvious that most posters do NOT know the real story re ml,who was it that started the DEBT era?who was it that broke the old board[for personal reasons]?who FIRST mentioned leaving central park?i think youknow my views,but i would like other factual[no i think]views on these subjects :conf:how much money[his own]has he put into the club?]

[jammie]

is any future chairman going to be a dw puppet or not ? dw seems happy to be chaiman of latics,so why not of the warriors.if we are going to sack ml lets get someone on board with cash of there own so we don't have to go cap in hand to someone who wants the glory when its here ,but hides behind someone else when the shit starts to fly.he's not said very much has he.i live near st.helens and to see all the glory seekers walking past smirking is makeing me sick.

[Joe Soap]

Trouble is there is more money in the football team nowadays. We are just living in their shadow. What we need is a new investor to buy the club off Whelan. Someone with some money like that Kym Marsh girl.