Is it all Moran's Fault ??

[First Try Tickle]

If you check out the league table you'll find that we have only scored 40 points less than salford and they're in 5th spot.This is 3 points per game...not even a try.

Unfortunatly weve conceded twice as many as them.

But my point is that Half backs are not known for thier defence, look at Long, Deacon and Robinson and Moran does try hard.

Where were going wrong is the forwards just cannot tackle and are just to lazy.

But people only look at attack and put the blame on the scrum half.

So is it all his fault or is it the fault of the forwards, including Lockers who for me is having a shocker, but never gets a mention.

[steve_oh]

No ,not all his fault, and i agree about our forwards - collectively they look the most ineffectual in SL - trouble is we seem to be stuck with all of them until end of seaeson

[FROM A TO B]

I think our biggest issue is lack of support (on the field that is).
how many half breaks have we made and there has been no one there sniffing for the offload?

[Doveoverdave]

Mr Tickle posted;
were going wrong is the forwards

I tend to agree with you on this point. This does not hide the fact that when we have possession in the last 20m zone we seem devoid of all attacking ideas and options, which the halves have to take responsibility for.

So is it all his fault or is it the fault of the forwards, including Lockers

I have stated above thatI concur. However we have signed 2 props and a 2nd rower this season that have palpably failed to execute any momentum at all and appear to only muster an hour of rugby between them.

You fail to accept this and want to blame the only true star in the team that is scoring trys, leading by example in both attack and especially defence and playing the full 80 mins.

but never gets a mention.

In this forum he is mentioned all too frequently in negative posts that I fail to comprehend. He is mentioned by his fellow pros in glowing terms.

[chrisJJ]

Orr is great at takleing he takles like a forward using his weight in his favour he is great. Lokks good ball in hand but makes to many mistakes. (next year: Bye bye moran, orr halfback and Barret stand off)

[Martin Taylor]

First Try Tickle posted:
If you check out the league table you'll find that we have only scored 40 points less than salford and they're in 5th spot.This is 3 points per game...not even a try.

Unfortunatly weve conceded twice as many as them.

But my point is that Half backs are not known for thier defence, look at Long, Deacon and Robinson and Moran does try hard.

Where were going wrong is the forwards just cannot tackle and are just to lazy.

But people only look at attack and put the blame on the scrum half.

So is it all his fault or is it the fault of the forwards, including Lockers who for me is having a shocker, but never gets a mention.

I agree with you on this point. The truth is both half backs are making too many tackles. This is more noticable in the centres. How many times do we see Moran and Orr making a crucial tackle were the centre should be.
The truth is this! The front row is strong with Fecca and Logan, but we are weak in the pack beyond that. Tickle is not playing up to scratch. Fletcher is not fully match fit yet and Lockers for me is making far too many mistakes and does not do enough going forward. Lockers tackling technique has gone to pot, and he must give away at least 3 penalties a game for trying to rip someones head off.

[Doveoverdave]

Martin Taylor posted:
The front row is strong with Fecca and Logan

This is a falsehood.They are simply not on the field long enough. Fecka will probably suffice for the moment and Logan may make a decent interchange - but strong? Nowhere near strong enough!

Lockers for me is making far too many mistakes and does not do enough going forward.[/code]

He is making mistakes because he is involved in everything that is going on in both attack and defence. He's doing too much if anything!
He scoring/creating trys and even managed a 40-20 kick that the team failed to capitalise on. what more do you want?

Lockers tackling technique has gone to pot,

Becuase of his work rate/load this is probably due to fatigue than technique.

[Martin Taylor]

Doveoverdave posted:

Martin Taylor posted:
The front row is strong with Fecca and Logan

This is a falsehood.They are simply not on the field long enough. Fecka will probably suffice for the moment and Logan may make a decent interchange - but strong? Nowhere near strong enough!

Lockers for me is making far too many mistakes and does not do enough going forward.[/code]

He is making mistakes because he is involved in everything that is going on in both attack and defence. He's doing too much if anything!
He scoring/creating trys and even managed a 40-20 kick that the team failed to capitalise on. what more do you want?

Lockers tackling technique has gone to pot,

I don't agree! I think our front row is strong with Seu Seu and young hargreves also being added to the mix, plus two very talented hookers. I think if you offered that front row to the majority of teams in the Super League they would have it!
Also, i think if anything Lockers is ineffective at going forward at present! I think the captaincy is too much for him and it is really spoiling his game. We can't afford for him to give away 3 or four penalties a game either.
Becuase of his work rate/load this is probably due to fatigue than technique.

[Doveoverdave]

Martin Taylor posted;
our front row is strong with Seu Seu and young hargreves

Seu Seu is finished as a top class player. Phil Clarke thinks he deserves a medal and I think he deserves to be pensioned off. He is one of the worst imports and prop forwards in the history of the club.

Hargreaves! Give me a break. Whether he is ready or not is immaterial to the position the club is in. What he will do in the future is not of concern to me at the moment. The fact is he is battered, thrown around like a rag doll and is simply not big enough to be of effectin a SL front row.

I think the captaincy is too much for him and it is really spoiling his game.

Utter nonsense as his game is better than anyones at the moment.

[NTA1]

Doveoverdave - you need to go to specsavers. Lockers is absolutely useless. He gave more penalties away than anyone at Cas on Friday. Ged rid of him to Batley!