No pat for Pat

[Wigan Watcher]

But it does help to bring the salary cap down a little. I don't see a future for Pat at Wigan.

[bertina]

robjoenz posted:

Matthew posted:
I think that DV will be "released" at the end of the year; along with a couple of other players - in his latest interview Noble said that he is planning to bring in more players for next year so space has to be made - I just hope he doesn't let Godwin go.

Unfortunately DV is still in contract next season so we'll be stuck with him and if we do get rid of him I imagine we'd be stuck with paying for a portion of his salary as I'd imagine he'd need to take a paycut to go elsewhere (Widnes?).

St.Pats.?

[ChrisA]

robjoenz posted:

ChrisA posted:
Not always, plenty of players are moved on to other clubs each year who are still under contract, I've never read of a club paying out the difference if the player moves clubs off season, whether he is under contract or not.

That assumes the player is happy with the wages he is offered at the new club and doesn't want to stay at his old club because the wages are better. His agent is likely to demand he stays at the old club because he'd be on more money. Therefore, the old club may pay a proportion of his wages for the duration of his contract runs out whilst he is at the new club.

This happened when Robbie Fowler left Leeds United for Manchester City. City couldn't afford to match his wages so Leeds were stuck with paying the difference from what he was on.

A football example is hardly appropriate to prove your point Rob.

[robjoenz]

ChrisA posted:
A football example is hardly appropriate to prove your point Rob.

It is, because it's all about contracts.

Would you leave a job for a less paid job because your employer wanted you to, even though you didn't want to and you hadn't broken any rules? Why would Vaealiki want to? (Unless he felt guilty at playing so poorly).

[woz9]

Richards body language during his time at Wigan has told a story in itself, i dont think he has ever been happy, and in my opinion will never play his best for Wigan, he needs to go home to be honest.

[Fraggle]

Wigan Watcher posted:
I was wondering if this is legal to talk to players?

I think it depends on the situation between the player and their current club. If the two have already determined that the player is out of contract this season and their contract will not be renewed, then their club will not normally mind the player having unofficial talks with other clubs. We can now talk to the NRL players as their 1st July date has passed, but otherwise we shouldn't really be talking to anyone before 1st September.

[stevocod]

ChrisA posted:
According to Noble, "Pat is playing in the u21's", "he didnt make the cut"

That makes me laugh a 23 year old in the under 21's!

[Matthew]

robjoenz posted:

ChrisA posted:
Not always, plenty of players are moved on to other clubs each year who are still under contract, I've never read of a club paying out the difference if the player moves clubs off season, whether he is under contract or not.

That assumes the player is happy with the wages he is offered at the new club and doesn't want to stay at his old club because the wages are better. His agent is likely to demand he stays at the old club because he'd be on more money. Therefore, the old club may pay a proportion of his wages for the duration of his contract runs out whilst he is at the new club.

If Noble wants rid of DV (and let's face it - he must be in the running for the worst salary/performance ratio in the history of the club) then there are ways to "encourage" him to move on.

We could do as Rob mentioned and send him off to another club and make up the difference - or why not see if London Skolars want him? We could then ask the SL/RFL to pay his wages - they love funding clubs in the capital.

Alternatively Noble could sign another centre and play DV in the U21s - or even just leave him on the bench. Presumably he doesn't want to retire at the end of his contract and if he hasn't had a game of top flight RL in well over a year (combined with his performances in Cherry & White) then he will be more likely to end up at somewhere like Swinton anyway.

One way or another I think (and hope) that it is unlikely that DV will be at Wigan next year.

[thegimble]

Wigan Watcher posted:
But it does help to bring the salary cap down a little. I don't see a future for Pat at Wigan.

Bailey is coming in at centre and Noble likes big Wingers inhis sides. So i feel he going to go as is DV.

[GeoffN]

robjoenz posted:

Would you leave a job for a less paid job because your employer wanted you to, even though you didn't want to and you hadn't broken any rules? Why would Vaealiki want to? (Unless he felt guilty at playing so poorly).

But in the "real world" employees are sacked (eventually, after going through a long and tortuous disciplinary procedure) if they aren't doing their job...and aspects of "performance" are normally built into any contract/terms of employment.