O/T Zidane

[Fraggle]

stevocod posted:
Football crowds will never be as good as rugby crowds, but neither act of retaliation is good for children to view or act upon and as an experienced ambassador to the game Zidane has got off lightly and bringing the Cantona example to the fore, he has to serve community service as well as his ban and I think Zidane should do the same despite the fact he's now retired.

Also he should issue a statement to the world announcing his wrong doing and this should not be deemed as sporting behaviour despite he may have been racially abused or it was a terrorist remark.

Has Wayne Rooney issued such a statement? Wasn't he also sent off for a pre-meditated attack on another player, albeit not quite so dramatically as Zidane's incident?

I still don't feel the Cantona and Zidane incidents are comparable - one's an on-field incident: ugly and unnecessary, but still part of the game. The other is an off-the-field assault on a member of the public, which has no place in any sport. Yet Zidane seems to be considered a footballing pariah because of his actions, whilst Cantona is still a hero to the red half of Manchester.

As for the influence on children, perhaps they should be watching chess instead? Football is hardly a great example of sportspersonship and fair behaviour at the best of times...

[luke_robinsons_angel]

Zidane is just a frustrated froggie, and was gutted that Catalans had lost to saints!!!

[Fraggle]

stevocod posted:

Fraggle posted:
Although perhaps Ronaldo may not be UK-based for much longer...

Well he is contracted till United till 2010 and they say he is not for sale and Real Madrid or a fellow prospective club would have to properly pay a compensatory fee on top of a transfer fee to buy out the contract.

No disrespect intended to you, but there's a little bit of a problem having a sentence that says "he's not for sale" and "{they} would have to..pay a..fee on top of a transfer fee" - meaning he's not for sale unless we can get lots of money for him!

[Fraggle]

luke_robinsons_ angel posted:
Zidane is just a frustrated froggie, and was gutted that Catalans had lost to saints!!!

Technically he's half Algerian / half French, but I think your reasoning for his temper tantrum could be pretty accurate

[stevocod]

Fraggle posted:

Has Wayne Rooney issued such a statement? Wasn't he also sent off for a pre-meditated attack on another player, albeit not quite so dramatically as Zidane's incident?

I still don't feel the Cantona and Zidane incidents are comparable - one's an on-field incident: ugly and unnecessary, but still part of the game. The other is an off-the-field assault on a member of the public, which has no place in any sport. Yet Zidane seems to be considered a footballing pariah because of his actions, whilst Cantona is still a hero to the red half of Manchester.

As for the influence on children, perhaps they should be watching chess instead? Football is hardly a great example of sportspersonship and fair behaviour at the best of times...

They are not comparable no but they still send the same message to children and most children look to copy the stars and Ronaldo, Rooney and Zidane come in to that category.

The community service order given to Cantona was to bring the correct image back to the public and to apologise for his wrong doing and that is certainly based on provacation which is the same in both examples.

Rooney apoligised on a radio show and on MUTV according to sky sports news but have not seen or heard it myself.

[luke_robinsons_angel]

Fraggle posted:

luke_robinsons_ angel posted:
Zidane is just a frustrated froggie, and was gutted that Catalans had lost to saints!!!

Technically he's half Algerian / half French, but I think your reasoning for his temper tantrum could be pretty accurate

well everyone knows that all the footballers like nothing better than going home to watch a nice game of rugby league!!!!!

[Fraggle]

stevocod posted:
They are not comparable no but they still send the same message to children and most children look to copy the stars and Ronaldo, Rooney and Zidane come in to that category.

You're right, and that's probably one of the reasons why you hear about diving and cheating going on at all levels of the game from the little guys upwards. They see the stars getting away with stuff, and decide they can do the same thing. Compare that to the respect shown to officials in RL, even when they make stupid decisions, and I know which sport I'm happier watching!

The community service order given to Cantona was to bring the correct image back to the public and to apologise for his wrong doing and that is certainly based on provacation which is the same in both examples.

True, but was Cantona not charged by the police with assault, so the community service was part of his legal punishment; his footballing punishment was a ban. Unless Zidane is legally charged with assault then the two cases are different, even though both come from provocation.

Rooney apoligised on a radio show and on MUTV according to sky sports news but have not seen or heard it myself.

Me neither, but it's probably true. Not sure what the relevance of him apologising on MUTV was, he wasn't playing for United at the time, but I've long since lost track of what tv station owns what clubs/players/whatever.

[Bear]

IT WOULDNT FLOOR YOU< YOU SOFT ARSE!

[willie c]

stevocod posted:
According talksport it was supposed to be a racist slur and i can't really say it on this messageboard there is no need for that reaction and as said on that station whether your on the football field or in the general public there is no need for that reaction.

if its true what he said about zidanes mam i think he got off lightly if someone had said that about my mother when i was playing he would be in hospital now

[Sutty]

A tourist at a French brassiere sits down to eat his croissant. He glances
at an unfamiliar packet which is branded "Zidane"



What is this? Asks the tourist?



The waiter replies "Monsieur that is the finest French butter"