Sean Longs Speaks - he had nothing left

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cpwigan posted:
He does not react well to getting belted E.G Terry Newton and when Mason hit him he had a look of terror on his face. Courage is truly how you deal with adversity. Sean Long has never dealt with it well. hence, he is a coward who only wants to play when others are doing the hard work for him. He has betrayed his country. He is a deserter.
Long replied in the best way possible when Mason decked him, he had the game of his life, virtually every kick (except the penalty and first drop goal attempt) was perfect and whilst the forwards played well, so did he.

I bet he wouldn't be getting the same kind of abuse had he been a Wigan player.
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It does not matter who he plays for. I'm actually deeply ashamed that Long is a Wiganer.
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Had it been for gambling or drinking then fair enough, the fella would deserve all the abuse he gets but it's not for anyone to make out he's a coward.
I don't think anyone used that word in this thread regarding Long prior to your post.
I can't understand why a player would 'want' to come home from playing rugby league in Australia unless they had a very good reason.
He has given his reasons and they are, IMO, not good enough reasons to leave the tour.
He'll know the abuse he'll get next year from away crowds so surely it would have been much easier to play one more mediocre/poor performance and head home with his tail between his legs shoulding the blame with the 20 odd other players.
There is no merit or courage in what he has done. The option he has chosen is not the difficult one. If you think he gives a stuff about the abuse he will get next season I think you are mistaken. It is a minor consideration as all players get stick from opposing crowds particularly influential players like Long.

Think about the players he has left behind in Aus.
Maybe it is something to do with his wife.
It isn't. He has said why he came home. If we are so paranoid we can't take what he said at face value we may as well give up.
Maybe she needed his support and he wanted to be there for her? Maybe it was stress/fatigue related (like that cricketer), people react to stress in different ways, some don't handle it as well as others.
For crying out loud be realistic and stop being the apologist for once!

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I've no sympathy whatsoever with Long.

He has left GB not just without our first choice scrum half, but also without the first choice goal kicker.

IMO, he should have been stripped of the Lance Todd Trophy awarded against us at Cardiff following the betting scandal. :angry:
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DaveO posted:
robjoenz posted:
Had it been for gambling or drinking then fair enough, the fella would deserve all the abuse he gets but it's not for anyone to make out he's a coward.
I don't think anyone used that word in this thread regarding Long prior to your post.
That is why I chose to use the term 'make out he's a coward' rather than directly saying he had been branded a coward.

In effect you have called Long a coward, Dave.
There is no merit or courage in what he has done. The option he has chosen is not the difficult one.
It depends on how you look at it. What would you prefer... he came home when he did or he stayed over there adding zero value to the side and wasting a place that could be taken up by a player who has some enthusiasm and energy left in him. Has he not done the side a favour?

Stuart Fielden has not had a good tri-nations, understandably, should he really be out there with what has happened to him in the last month or two? Would we be better playing another prop who is able to focus his mind better on the task in hand?

What about Kieran Cunningham and Danny Buderus. Have they also let down their country by backing out of the tri-nations before it even began? Both could have played had they not put something else first.

Maybe Sean Long is a coward, maybe he doesn't care about anyone else and has only come home because he's thrown a paddy but I just can't understand it. I think the easier option would have been to just stay another week and come back taking praise for his man of the match performance against the Aussies.
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robjoenz posted:
surely it would have been much easier to play one more mediocre/poor performance and head home with his tail between his legs
Only one more mediocre performance? Surely he could have done that? He did it last week against the Kiwis. In fact, apart from that one game against the Aussies, long has never had anything BUT mediocre performances against top class opponents.

My problem with long is that he makes out he is the best thing since sliced bread and is clearly only interested in himself. Watch him play when there is a man of the match trophy at stake and he is patting players on the back and making a lot of noise - which is probably why he won the Lance Todd trophy this year; because in my opinion it should have gone to half a dozen players before him.

Realistically GB are going to get thumped by the Aussies this week and that will be the end of the tour. Surely long could have summoned up his reserves of courage (if you are to be believed and he has some) for one more game? anderson says that he is not due back at stains until the end of december - is that not enough of a rest?

Do you believe he would have come home if we were ahead of the Kiwis on points difference and therefore likely to make it to the final? Of course not - he would have stayed hoping that he could raise his game in the final and claim some more individual honours. As it is GB have very little chance and so long is basically saying to the team - we can't win so I'm off home.

If his past was whiter than white then maybe the fans would have understood. Had he had a genuine reason for coming home - maybe the fans would have understood. However he couldn't blame his wifes pregnancy because it would have come out that there was nothing wrong - so he went for the "mental exhaustion" rubbish. The fact is, outside of the run down dump that is KR, long is not widely liked in the game. The betting scandal (which was frankly a disgrace) along with his self inflated opinion ensures that he will not be fondly remembered (and I would imagine means that he won't do anything in coaching).

To expect Wigan fans to be sympathetic to a quitter who plays for our bitterest rivals is a bit naive.

Do you think that Shaun Edwards would have ever pulled something like this?

Of course not
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robjoenz posted:
There is no merit or courage in what he has done. The option he has chosen is not the difficult one.
It depends on how you look at it. What would you prefer... he came home when he did or he stayed over there adding zero value to the side and wasting a place that could be taken up by a player who has some enthusiasm and energy left in him. Has he not done the side a favour?
What I would prefer is he had the strength of character to accept his responsibilities. He is no different a position to all the other GB lads out there regarding how tired they must all be.

He has chosen to deal with this by throwing in the towel. It isn't remotely virtuous to have done what he has done. He is not prepared to push himself that extra mile for his country and team mates.

That is what Noble wanted him to do but despite Noble's best efforts to get him to stay and do this he adopted the selfish option and I simply do not believe he did what he did in the best interests of the team.
Stuart Fielden has not had a good tri-nations, understandably, should he really be out there with what has happened to him in the last month or two? Would we be better playing another prop who is able to focus his mind better on the task in hand?
That is down to the coach, not the player to decide. Noble wanted both players in the squad for Saturday and he only has one of them.

Long's team mate Pryce is on record as saying he misses his family but he is still there despite apparently not seeing eye to eye with Noble about what position he plays.

If Pryce thought he is not as effective on the wing as at stand off should he get on a plane home as well and woud he be doing team a favour?
What about Kieran Cunningham and Danny Buderus. Have they also let down their country by backing out of the tri-nations before it even began?
I don't know Buderous's circumstances but as for Cunningham, yes he definitely let his country down. Why? Because he is still (as is Long) probably our best player in that position yet chose to make himself unavailable despite being wanted by the coach. You may recall at the time Noble said he would have a word and try and persuade him to change his mind. Don't know if he did have a word but as far as I am concerned Cunningham is another player who let his country down.

He is another player who can never be considered a great player because of a poor international record.

Whether it is a coincidence he is a team mate of Longs and they both have a poor attitude to international RL is perhaps an interesting question!
Both could have played had they not put something else first.
Wasn't it a simple premature retirement from international RL in Cunninghams case?
Maybe Sean Long is a coward, maybe he doesn't care about anyone else and has only come home because he's thrown a paddy but I just can't understand it. I think the easier option would have been to just stay another week and come back taking praise for his man of the match performance against the Aussies.
I have a problem with this idea that he chose one option over another because as far as I am concerned he had no options.

I don't have an option in my job to come home if I am tired when overseas. I was in Denmark last week and it never entered my head to leave on Thursday despite the fact it was inconvenient domestically that I was there Friday.

I understand what is expected of me when I go away on business and most of the time I don't actually like the tedium business travel and work abroad involves but I do understand what my responsibilities are.

Long is IMO clueless as to his responsibilities

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 154402.stm

St Helens scrum-half Sean Long has ruled out ever touring with Great Britain again and might even turn his back on international rugby.

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Let's get one thing right Danny Budereus pulled out. Cunnigham pulled out of a GB Tour but then talked about making himself available for Wales. That is not acceptable. Nor is Chris Thorman pulling out of the England Fed Cup squad saying he would have toured if selected for GB but was not prepa\red to front up for England and needed to rest.

Berrigan is an example as to how things should be done. His brother wanted him to be best man at his wedding this weekend. He asked Stuart if he could be released. He was refused permission. he was selected and he plays as a reserve.

GB is about the Alan Prescotts, its about putting everything on the line for your country. Heavens above imagine if Long had to do a full Ashes tour. I will offer an alternative to Long and co. Back in the day, the GB tours left before the end of the domestic season. Clubs involved in finals had to play weithout their tourists. Ken Gee missed a Challenge Cup Final. We beat Hudds in a Championship Final (1950) with our reserves. Country came before club.

When we have British soldiers dying for their country what Long has done is a disgrace.
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