Re: Should Noble go?

[shawcross da warrior]

i voted yes, but the thing is i dont know who we could get and dont know who would come....

only man i would have is tricky ricky stuart...

[DaveO]

It's all very well wondering about the present coach or some of the present players, but the reality is that revolution rarely produces the goods and evolution usually does.

At the hieght of our success it could be argued it was revolution that DID produce the goods.

Clarke and McInnes were sacked for winning the cup in 1985 because Mo wanted Lowe in - a coach working on a different level. We sacked Dorahay and changed coaches regularly over the years of success.

So what now - a quick revolution with blood on the carpet because you don't get inspired by an individual player or our coach?

If Nobby fails to deliver by the end of 2009 it would not be a quick revolution. He will by then be one of the longest serving coaches in RL.

If the coach doesn't deliver longevity is over-rated. Ask any Wire fan about Cullen.

Or perhaps instead an investment in the academy players, growth in the club and town and stability for a while? Sounds the better option by a million miles to me.

Ony if it delivers. Are you for example happy with the way Nobby is blooding young players - the subject of another thread?

So, instead of whingeing about personnel we recognise where we are now and where we would have been if we hadn't signed Brian Noble and a few of the present team - praying for a "C" licence and a return to Super League.
Some of the people who write these blogs have short memories and no vision.

We cold have signed any other coach to replace Millward and provided he was given Fielden and Dobson the result would have likely been the same. In any case that was 2006 and in the past. Noble has been there and done that and his job now is to deliver some success and pretty quickly IMO.

So let's get real, we've got the best British coach in the game (and a target for some Australian Clubs!), many world class players, a stadium most clubs would die for, a fan base that's only half a jump below its best and the best in the league. We are fourth in a very competitive league, and with a bit of luck may get higher. It's a far cry from two seasons ago. Let's not try to undermine the players and coach - it's not what's needed.

If the team is an inconsistent next year as this I hope Noble will not be given the extension to his contract for another year. Unless you are blind you must see he has so far this season failed to eradicate many on-field problems with the team. For me he has the rest of this season and all of next to do this.

If he doesn't he needs to be replaced.

Dave

[ancientnloyal]

Dave I wouldn't agree that he needs/has all of next season to eradicate problems we have 7 rounds or so left and it should be done before then or in the off season. We cant have another year of inconsistancy.


Once all or 80% of the problems Wigan have had consistancy wise this season, have been gone, we should be up above Catalans in third. Saints and Leeds have been the better we all know that... with what Wigan have shown to do we should be third. To score 38 points away at Catalans, game should have been won... 1 more point against Castleford... even the away match at Hull I felt Wigan should have come away with 2 points and not crumble in the dying minutes. I believe Saints would still have beaten us at the Millenium and GF but should have been closer games.

[stevethegas]

Well, Dave, it's clear we don't agree, but then debate isn't debate if we all agree. However, I'm glad you aren't my boss, because so much of what you write is destructive and negative. You simply don't get the best out of people by carping about their perceived failings, but by praise and encouragement for their efforts.
I think you underestimate where we have come from. Yes 2006 is past, but we could so easily be languishing in the lower divisions. I disagree that any coach with Fielden and Dobson would have made it, without Noble we probably wouldn't have got either.
You are right that revolution changed Wigan's fortunes when we were last demoted, but overall revolution is almost always more destructive than constructive.
We like to regard ourselves as supporters. The word suggests support rather than moaning about areas which might or might not be relevant.
I maintain that stability is needed above all, and to achieve that we need to rally behind the club we have now, and not some theoretical dream club of the future.

[CBWarrior]

I voted no and still think the same. I think Noble has done alright for us, he defintly saved us in '06 and I just don't think letting him go is the way to go.

As long as he's the Wigan coach, he's got my full support!

[DaveO]

Dave I wouldn't agree that he needs/has all of next season to eradicate problems we have 7 rounds or so left and it should be done before then or in the off season. We cant have another year of inconsistancy.

I didn't really mean it in that way. More of if he hasn't sorted out by the end of next season he has to go! That doesn't mean I expect him to take that long. The inconsistency should have been sorted out by now IMO but next season it will be his team for sure and so if we are still the same there is no where to hide.

Once all or 80% of the problems Wigan have had consistancy wise this season, have been gone, we should be up above Catalans in third. Saints and Leeds have been the better we all know that... with what Wigan have shown to do we should be third. To score 38 points away at Catalans, game should have been won... 1 more point against Castleford... even the away match at Hull I felt Wigan should have come away with 2 points and not crumble in the dying minutes. I believe Saints would still have beaten us at the Millenium and GF but should have been closer games.

We certainly have tossed away several games this season as opposed to simply having lost games in a competitive league where we have played well against equally good opposition. It needs fixing. If it gets fixed now for the rest of this season and we don't revert back into bad habits next season then OK. If not then I can't see Nobby being here after 2009 but I don't think he will be sacked before that.

Dave

[DaveO]

Well, Dave, it's clear we don't agree, but then debate isn't debate if we all agree. However, I'm glad you aren't my boss, because so much of what you write is destructive and negative. You simply don't get the best out of people by carping about their perceived failings, but by praise and encouragement for their efforts.

One of my jobs is as an OU tutor and I can assure you being negative is not part of the job description (although sometimes it's pretty hard to find a source of encouragement in some of the stuff I see). But Nobby isn't one of my students so I don't see why I should be adopting a more positive tone if I can see things wrong.

I think you underestimate where we have come from. Yes 2006 is past, but we could so easily be languishing in the lower divisions. I disagree that any coach with Fielden and Dobson would have made it, without Noble we probably wouldn't have got either.
You are right that revolution changed Wigan's fortunes when we were last demoted, but overall revolution is almost always more destructive than constructive.
We like to regard ourselves as supporters. The word suggests support rather than moaning about areas which might or might not be relevant.
I maintain that stability is needed above all, and to achieve that we need to rally behind the club we have now, and not some theoretical dream club of the future.

The point I make is stability is no reason to keep Nobby if by the end of 2009 we have had another inconsistent season, which we have so far in 2008. He must deliver some tangible improvement which doesn't necessarily mean trophies (as both competitions are knock outs anything can happen on the day).

I also don't think the fact he was coach-to-the-rescue in 2006 is significant any more. If a better coach becomes available when his contract is up for review at the end of 2009 I'd expect the club to think seriously about a replacement in the same way they do with players out of contract. Whether they do consider looking for someone else will depend IMO on how well he does for the rest of this season and next. I think that is stating the obvious not being negative.

In all bar about two games we have not looked convincing this year often letting teams back into games even when we win and the opposition is missing players. We give a lot of penalties away and make unforced errors. He certainly hasn't got it right for me this season but as I said I went for the 2009 option not the immediate sack!

Dave

[KOOCH]

is this still going on.... :baaa:

It would appear to be so. The real question is.Who do we get to replace him and please the fans at the drop of an hat? Anyway i'm ok i'm still taking the tablets i think. :with:

[GeoffN]

The point I make is stability is no reason to keep Nobby if by the end of 2009 we have had another inconsistent season, which we have so far in 2008. He must deliver some tangible improvement which doesn't necessarily mean trophies (as both competitions are knock outs anything can happen on the day).

I also don't think the fact he was coach-to-the-rescue in 2006 is significant any more. If a better coach becomes available when his contract is up for review at the end of 2009 I'd expect the club to think seriously about a replacement in the same way they do with players out of contract. Whether they do consider looking for someone else will depend IMO on how well he does for the rest of this season and next. I think that is stating the obvious not being negative.

In all bar about two games we have not looked convincing this year often letting teams back into games even when we win and the opposition is missing players. We give a lot of penalties away and make unforced errors. He certainly hasn't got it right for me this season but as I said I went for the 2009 option not the immediate sack!

Dave

To me, stability in players is far more important than stability of coach, especially in the key positions.

Look at the successful sides from ourselves in the 80's to Saints and Leeds today. All had/have a core of long-term players that kept the game plan going no matter which coach was in charge.

[Wigan Watcher]

No he should not!