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Seems to be a lot of Agar-esque like reasoning here. If certain players hadn't saved their worst performance of the year for the Saints game, we would have won regardless of the ref or the rl. Warrington with Morley as their talisman back, are playing like we did last year, full of confidence. It's going against us at the moment because we simply aren't up to it across the park. I reckon comments about us not resting key players at certain times when we could have, are spot on. Deacs needed a rest, Carmont did, even Sam, Hoffman and Lockers. This isn't down to any corruption as far as I can see, it's more to do with Madge's tactical thinking.

Let's just see if Madge does stick to his form rule. If he's true to what he's practised, then we should see changes for Catalans.

x Wigan Warrior x wrote:I agree with the majority of points raised in this thread, but looking from the outside in most other teams will say and do say that we get away with loads and that the refs our all on our side …… we both cant be right, can we ?

To Jobo, I'm not including Sunday's game in my assessment. I've seen so many games significantly worse than that.


To answer the point above, so much of it goes back to bitterness of our fomination in the past. What really doesn't help is the coverage of the final. True the pass to Lima was forward but that decision along with two correctly given our way (Tommy's try and the scrum feed) are deemed to have given us the trophy unfairly. Not a single mention of dubious/damned right awful decisions in the build up to two Leeds' tries.

cpwigan wrote:The RFL are corrupt. The RFL choose if they want to take action or not based on whether or not that club/person has rattled their cage. They IMO turn a blind eye to almost everything as long as you kissed their behinds.

The RFL pay Gareth Thomas salary and offer him exempt from the salary cap is CORRUPT. The RFL were in the Crusaders, when it moved from S.Wales for months before it withdrew its SL application and knew nothing. Garbage. CORRUPT. Players are told before disciplinary hearings to plead guilty and you will get X punishment. Come the hearing they get X punishment. CORRUPT. The referral process is a joke. So many illegal challenges do not even get referred.

Some clubs IMO (No proof, just common sense) breach the cap. Warrington. Yet, the RFL does nothing. They never will as the scandal would be horrific for the RFL. CORRUPT IMO

Officiating. Far too often, match officials, decisions favour 1 team to a ridiculous extent. It is not just decisions but the every play discreet decisions. One team lies up offside, wrestles, delays the next POTB whereas the other team are taken back further, not allowed to complete tackles and forced to get up faster and faster. Even the language used changes sometimes.

could not agree with more -

one thing i would do now is do away with the ref refering decisions to a 4th official - they need to start making decisions for themselves wether they be bad, good or indifferent too many referees see this as a get out of jail card

warrior49 wrote:Wondering how Bailey will get on ???

From the RFL Website

Reasons for Decision We have discussed this at length and we have decided there should be a 1 match suspension, we have taken due to the fact that in just over 12 months you have received a Caution and a Warning for the same offence. It was obvious that Tickle felt it and luckily he was able to play on. There was a serious risk to injury in this situation and we feel that a 1 match ban and a £300 is required.
Suspension 1 match
Fine £300
Warning

http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3245

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southernpie wrote:

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Exactly BUT it is Leeds/Gary H. The original panel seemed to make the correct call, even justifying their decision. Alas, somebody from the RFL clearly forget to tell them beforehand that Bailey was not to be banned. Communication error

Anyone still doubt if the game is corrupt? What was the reason for the reversal? - bailey's record is shocking and that's not including all the stuff that he gets away with.

Looks like redhall want a nice yellow and blue final - if dire win it then they have new champions, if the whinos do, then they have won from fifth

My other half got so fed up with me screaming abuse at the TV during the Saints game that she asked me what I was getting so worked up about (and why I scream at the TV even when “your side win”). I explained the simple rule of getting back ten yards and clearing/holding down the player after the tackle and the reason teams try delay the opponents for as long as possible. I then asked her to watch the game (with the sound off) and explain what she saw. Given she has no interest in the sport and didn’t know which team was which she said it was quite clear after only a few minutes that one side were being asked to retreat much further than the other and that the same side were being held down for longer when they had the ball.

It would be interesting to extend this experiment and show a number of the more contentious matches to a panel of non Rugby League viewers (perhaps from my neck of the woods in Essex!)for an unbiased opinion.

I’m surprised given the obvious suspicions surrounding the game (some pure fan paranoia other perhaps more founded)and the fact that I’m sure considerable amount of money are now involved that there hasn’t been at least a TV documentary done on the subject.

Corrupt or incompetent? It really doesn't matter which. I tend to think it is the latter myself but the Bailey decision is a joke and illustrates why we get threads suggesting the game is corrupt.

At the start of this season IL said something along the lines of he had faith in the RFL's disciplinary approach and the club would accept their decisions because of this. I wonder if he still thinks that?

The reason given above for Bailey's ban seems quite sound and reasonable so for it to be overturned is crazy. If I were on the panel that banned him in the first place I'd be banging on Richard Lewis door asking him WTF was going on because my creditability and judgement MUST have been undermined by whoever overturned the ban. Why can't the RFL see things like this call their credibility into question?

EDIT: Just looked up the disciplinary on the RFL wb site and this is Leeds original submission:

Brian McDermott advised that Ryan raises his knee we admit that. We recognise the way Ryan carries the ball, he is a "bumpy carrier". He runs the line and shrugs off the defenders. The consequence is that he gets the timing wrong and his knee is leading and high. When correct he raises his leg to power through the line. This is the version where he gets it wrong. We have worked in training from the previous caution and looked at it in training to make it more of an upper body shrug. The player added I realise that it was wrong and there was no intent to cause injury and know I need to sort this out in my game. Brian McDermott also added, he hopes the panel show leniency, I know we are at an important part of the season. The possibility of missing him for the game at the weekend is enough to make us take notice of this. He is an animated character and a very tough player who shows aggression. All the media around Ryan has been about who is going to knock him out. He is working on his discipline and has shown huge improvements, having had no issues over the last 14 games. Ryan is definitely a work in progress and both we and Ryan realise that.

Decision Guilty plea

Note he actually pleaded guilty top the offence as well and that in coming up with the ban as well as the reasons outlined in a previous post in this thread:

"Aggravating Factors Previous Caution and Warning for similar offences."

Oh and here is the rota for the panel:


Date of Meeting/Appeal Chairman Side Members
Weds 14th Sept (A) R Grant R Bridge J Wells
Tues 20th Sept R Grant R Bridge N Turley
Weds 21st Sept (A) L Hull G Hallas
Tues 27th Sept L Hull G Hallas I Butt
Weds 28th Sept (A) P Charlesworth N Turley W George
Tues 4th Oct P Charlesworth N Turley W George
Weds 5th Oct (A) J Spencer N McAvoy J Hamer
Tues 11th Oct J Spencer N McAvoy J Hamer
Weds 12th Oct (A) R Grant J Wells G Hallas