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Finch is a very good player,not quite at TBs level but not far off.Noble and Wane are similar,Noble won trophies though and unless Wane improves he will be out.I dont think Lenaghan will put up with us being second best. Although i do not like Wane as a coach he should be given the season at least to show if he is up to the job

It’s been posted elsewhere on this site that the consensus is Shaun Wayne is on a steep learning curve. If he is still learning, who is he learning from? I don’t believe his assistant has anything at all to contribute. The man to learn from has long gone back down under, too late to start the climb up the curve.
It’s idealistic to have a Wiganer to coach a Wigan team and I applaud that but he needs some support, support with a similar accent

the_Warrior_in_​Brum​ wrote:It’s been posted elsewhere on this site that the consensus is Shaun Wayne is on a steep learning curve. If he is still learning, who is he learning from? I don’t believe his assistant has anything at all to contribute.

Good points. Wane has certainly made some mistakes that look like they were down to inexperience and really we can't afford the luxury of being his training ground.

Just have to hope he learns very quickly. With a bit of luck the disciplinary will do one part of his job for him next week. He won't have to think if he should drop Lauaki or not.

The man to learn from has long gone back down under, too late to start the climb up the curve.
It’s idealistic to have a Wiganer to coach a Wigan team and I applaud that but he needs some support, support with a similar accent

If you mean a better assistant I would not disagree.

As to the analogy about Barrett and Finch I hope it does not pan out that way. Barrett was wasted here under Noble and though it seems Finch wants to stay I hope it is under a much improved Wane - or a different coach. I do not want history repeated where our class half back is stifled because the tactics and coaching are not up to snuff.

We can't hang around as we did with Noble IMO.

Kittwazzer wrote:As I recall, Brian 'Duty of Care' Noble was reluctant to consider bringing youngsters through. The Widnes game showed Wane as the opposite so no!

Watched the game again this morning and was amazed at how superior we were. OK, we were guilty of errors but they were a lot worse. We lost thanks to Silverwood's incompetence (eg the Briers intercept) and Lauaki's stupidity at the end. Thankfully, we shouldn't be lumbered with either of them next week!

Finch is a great player and hard grafting orchestrator but no TB - at 400K pa, I'm glad he isn't. I'd like him to be given more authority on the pitch if he signs a new contract. Joint captain perhaps?

I've re-watched it and would agree with you KW - we were the better team. Wire had the rub of the green with that intercept try - it was completely against the run of play.

Being criticial, I'd still say our defence isn't as effective as last year. The majority of tackling was either man on man or 2 man and it means the defensive line is rushed.

I can't decide about our attack. My wife was watching casually and commented it looked a bit like Leeds from 10 years ago with lots of running play from deep.

I'm not bothered about Finch being a joint captain - I'd just rather he sorted his kicking game out.

Sorry, I'm not used to posting threads when I'm hungover as I don't normally drink so I think I may have confused a few people.

The Finch/Baz comparison was not meant to be about their abilities but indeed the reliance on them we have/had and how they drag the team around the park.

The Wane/Noble comparison is to do with the little things like team ethos/discipline etc. Under Noble he had his favourites, Fielden etc, Bailey etc. And his inability to notice the 'nitty gritty' is why we kept falling short and being inconsistent every year. I haven't seen enough of us under Wane but it certainly seems he might be similar with these traits. Giving Stuart Fielden a rollocking for doing 18 pressups when they were told to do 20 was not good enougn for Madge who instead fetched him in to his office and had a sit down chat for 20 minutes about responsibilities and self standards etc.

It is these little traits that can be the difference between win and a loss.

Bellamy says you have to get the little things right.

Only thing that's concerning me at present is that we seem to have lost that ability to see out close matches, just take a look at the games we've lost this season:

16-20 vs Huddersfield
36-37 vs Widnes
20-22 vs Warrington

Last season we lost 4 games in the entire regular league season, we've already lost 3 from 8. We need to get this rectified asap as the ability to see out tight matches wins competitions.

It's going to take a while, I thought last season we went a little stale. The lads coming through this year should have seen action last year, If Maguire had been stopping we would have done the double last year(in my oppinion) We became bland to watch at times. Before we get the "NRL is not bland" I agree, and in the Maguire first season we played some class open footy, sadly instead of getting better we dropped off, and finished last year like we started this. The league match at Wire that gave them the title was a prime example.... we got stuffed and that far superior D conceded twice the points as Friday. We are weaker this year no Joel or Hoff is a big loss both would be in our 17. Deacon is a bigger loss to me by the fact we now have Lulu starting half and one hooker.
A bit early to answer Wane the new Noble. Noble was the most trophy winning coach loads of time as number one coach Wane jurys out but think 8 games is a lttle too soon to judge him against Noble.

I still think the jury in out on Wane. We have obviously lost 3 games already this season although we should have won them all. I think we need to see how it pans out for the season as the team has changed a lot and it takes time to gel.
I am still disappointed in the close season signings to be honest if this was solely Wanes decision? 2 of them can't even get into the team which is very unusual for Wigans close seasons signings.
I like Wane for the fact that he will give the young lads a chance and is a true Wiganer but this will not keep him in a job if results don't start to improve. I much prefer him to Noble though.
Re finch I dont think he is anywhere near as good as TB. TB was a superstar and If he was in this side now I think we would have been top of the league having lost zero games. He was quicker, more skilful and had a better kicking game. Finch has great defence and a good organiser but he doesn't do anything to really excite me like TB used to do.

weststand-rich wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote:As I recall, Brian 'Duty of Care' Noble was reluctant to consider bringing youngsters through. The Widnes game showed Wane as the opposite so no!

Watched the game again this morning and was amazed at how superior we were. OK, we were guilty of errors but they were a lot worse. We lost thanks to Silverwood's incompetence (eg the Briers intercept) and Lauaki's stupidity at the end. Thankfully, we shouldn't be lumbered with either of them next week!

Finch is a great player and hard grafting orchestrator but no TB - at 400K pa, I'm glad he isn't. I'd like him to be given more authority on the pitch if he signs a new contract. Joint captain perhaps?

I've re-watched it and would agree with you KW - we were the better team. Wire had the rub of the green with that intercept try - it was completely against the run of play.

Being criticial, I'd still say our defence isn't as effective as last year. The majority of tackling was either man on man or 2 man and it means the defensive line is rushed.

I can't decide about our attack. My wife was watching casually and commented it looked a bit like Leeds from 10 years ago with lots of running play from deep.

I'm not bothered about Finch being a joint captain - I'd just rather he sorted his kicking game out.

One of the main turning points of the game was when we were pressurising their line and a kick was put into the right corner and Josh Charnley fairly and squarely challenged for the high ball which was knocked forward by Hodgson ? and collected by Atkins who was clearly offside.
The officials decision, a wrong one, was to award a penalty to Dire who then cleared their line.
Had we got the penalty or even the feed in the scrum, IMO we would have went on to score but that opportunity was taken away by inept officiating.