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Wasn't Morley a prop at Leeds? I'm sure they played 4 props - him, Barrie Mac, Anthony Farrell and Darren Fleary. With Terry Newton added in there as well, it was usually penalties galore from that front row collective!lucky 13 posted:
:conf:to be honest if you are a good modern forward is their realy that much diference in prop ,second row 'ie'peacock was asecond row at brad ,morley at leeds and so on.
some people read somthing that is not infront of them and prefer to tell you what you have wrote!ChrisA posted:He's had plenty of good games, and series at International level, to a point where even the Aussies rated him as one of the best props in world RL. Yet after one bad series, people like you write him off and claim he isn't up to it.Wigan Watcher posted:
Fielden is a player I like, hard and determined. He came up against the best props in the world and came up very short. He is very good against the props over here but he is not a world class prop. He may be a world class second rower, who knows!
Some people just have a short term memory it seems.
So is it safe to assume your statement highlighted in bold above means you basing your assertion that he is not a world class prop based on what you saw in the tri-nations?Wigan Watcher posted:some people read somthing that is not infront of them and prefer to tell you what you have wrote!ChrisA posted:He's had plenty of good games, and series at International level, to a point where even the Aussies rated him as one of the best props in world RL. Yet after one bad series, people like you write him off and claim he isn't up to it.Wigan Watcher posted:
Fielden is a player I like, hard and determined. He came up against the best props in the world and came up very short. He is very good against the props over here but he is not a world class prop. He may be a world class second rower, who knows!
Some people just have a short term memory it seems.
I based it on how I see him play the game and the fact he did have a very very bad time over there, this does not mean I do not rate him and are glad he is a Wigan player as he is still a top player in this country. I will add I feel he would not get into the green and gold team. I read many fans over here stating he is the best prop in the world, this is and always has been untrue.DaveO posted:So is it safe to assume your statement highlighted in bold above means you basing your assertion that he is not a world class prop based on what you saw in the tri-nations?Wigan Watcher posted:some people read somthing that is not infront of them and prefer to tell you what you have wrote!ChrisA posted: He's had plenty of good games, and series at International level, to a point where even the Aussies rated him as one of the best props in world RL. Yet after one bad series, people like you write him off and claim he isn't up to it.
Some people just have a short term memory it seems.
Dave
How many other English players do you think would actually be able to make it in an Aussie Squad (ignoring the obvious problem).Wigan Watcher posted:
I based it on how I see him play the game and the fact he did have a very very bad time over there, this does not mean I do not rate him and are glad he is a Wigan player as he is still a top player in this country. I will add I feel he would not get into the green and gold team. I read many fans over here stating he is the best prop in the world, this is and always has been untrue.
So why are you ignoring all his previous international performances which have been very good?Wigan Watcher posted:
I based it on how I see him play the game and the fact he did have a very very bad time over there,
Well I don't think the current Aussie front row is anything special. An on-form Fielden is IMO as good as the likes of Mason whose only claim to fame appears to be the punch.this does not mean I do not rate him and are glad he is a Wigan player as he is still a top player in this country. I will add I feel he would not get into the green and gold team. I read many fans over here stating he is the best prop in the world, this is and always has been untrue.
No Dave you are wrong here, I have never said Fielden was a prop and only described him as a top player and always stated he is a second row playerDaveO posted:So why are you ignoring all his previous international performances which have been very good?Wigan Watcher posted:
I based it on how I see him play the game and the fact he did have a very very bad time over there,
That is what ChrisA was driving at.
Well I don't think the current Aussie front row is anything special. An on-form Fielden is IMO as good as the likes of Mason whose only claim to fame appears to be the punch.this does not mean I do not rate him and are glad he is a Wigan player as he is still a top player in this country. I will add I feel he would not get into the green and gold team. I read many fans over here stating he is the best prop in the world, this is and always has been untrue.
Fielden was not on-form for the tri-nations and as a result many are now coming out of the woodwork saying he was never that good anyway which flies in the face of previous performances where he was the form front rower. Yourself included.
As the old saying goes form is temporary, class is permanent. Fielden is class.
Dave