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Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:15 am
by Mike
Anyone concerned about Harrys tip tackle? Hopefully not a ban.

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:43 am
by moto748
Mike wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:14 am
I really wish people would stop saying things are "going to kill the game". That match was a great spectacle for anyone watching and I can't believe a potential fan is going to say "let's not watch this because there's a short stoppage for a potential head injury".... It's not going to kill the game. Its a small difference in how the game is being played now compared to a few years before, and it can be modified by tweaking the rules if it we need to.
Exactly, Mike, couldn't agree more.

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:01 am
by fozzie58
Mike wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:15 am Anyone concerned about Harrys tip tackle? Hopefully not a ban.
Yes I missed it but my wife said he would be lucky to not cop a ban fingers crossed she’s wrong

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:16 am
by Shaun1967
Mike wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:15 am Anyone concerned about Harrys tip tackle? Hopefully not a ban.
I’m getting concerned at the number of times he’s trying this. Watching the game back it’s becoming a regular thing and I think the coaching staff need to address his technique or he will pick up ban somewhere along the line.
He was lucky to have been playing v Penrith.

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 10:10 am
by Southern Softy
Charriots Offiah wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:08 pm
Southern Softy wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:05 pm
Charriots Offiah wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:20 pm

https://www.superleague.co.uk/match-centre/report/4480

Stats for the game. Dupree made more yards than any of our other forwards.
Stats eh? Useful as a general guide but take away the yards Dupree made after the chargedown and it's a bit of a different story overall.
True though. By the way he made 11 tackles and didn’t miss any. I am not sure why you are singling him out. We win as a team and lose as a team and we won.
Only commented because when Dupree came, within a few matches he looked as good as any of our forwards. He doesn't now and I don't know why. Could be injury or illness but I want to see him back at his rampaging best for the good of the team.
As for the team, it's always possible to have a convincing victory and for one player not to play well (wasn't the case on Friday) but the thing that makes Wigan the team they are is that when they lose, they work out why and change things and when they win, they still try and improve.
Always want the best for the team like all supporters.

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 6:07 pm
by Charriots Offiah
Southern Softy wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 10:10 am
Charriots Offiah wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:08 pm
Southern Softy wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:05 pm

Stats eh? Useful as a general guide but take away the yards Dupree made after the chargedown and it's a bit of a different story overall.
True though. By the way he made 11 tackles and didn’t miss any. I am not sure why you are singling him out. We win as a team and lose as a team and we won.
Only commented because when Dupree came, within a few matches he looked as good as any of our forwards. He doesn't now and I don't know why. Could be injury or illness but I want to see him back at his rampaging best for the good of the team.
As for the team, it's always possible to have a convincing victory and for one player not to play well (wasn't the case on Friday) but the thing that makes Wigan the team they are is that when they lose, they work out why and change things and when they win, they still try and improve.
Always want the best for the team like all supporters.
I thought he played well on Friday the problem is that he wasn’t on the field for long periods. Anyway, thankfully, the game plan worked out.

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:47 am
by Wintergreen
Charriots Offiah wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:33 pm
Wigan1 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 11:12 am I thought we played that really well considering our missing players. Throw Brad O’Neil back in and I think we win easily. I thought Moore was appalling, did we get a penalty in the 2nd half, there were at least 2 big shoulder charges from Percival. Thought Welsby showed what a classless loser he really is during the match.

I don’t agree with other posters regarding our players staying down, other teams do it, its about time we stopped being so honest and started playing the system as well.
It's about time the RFL did something about it before it kills the game. Take the cameras away and they get up and play the ball. I can't see Lomax playing next week his arms will be too sore, all that waving above his head.
One of the biggest issues in the game now imo.

Players are going down/holding their heads more in order to stop play, which inevitably leads to a replay of the incident on the screen.

Even if not hurt the player knows it "can't do any harm", and perhaps is even instructed to do so by the coaches?

Couple this with the physio's running onto the pitch every couple of minutes and the game is becoming too open to manipulation. The Thompson incident was a classic example.

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:08 am
by Wigan_forever1985
Saints were playing on this a lot in that match - in fact i saw welsby physically push one of his players back down who was trying to get up as if to say "let them watch the replay"

personally i think go with a challenge system and make the ref the focal point and if a team feel aggrieved challenge it. I also see absolutely no value in slow mo replays for tackles they give a false sense of impact and a false sense of the timing in which you can physically move your body and react. When you're an 18 stone bloke running at full tilt its very difficult to change direction once committed - if it isnt clear at full speed to the naked eye then it isnt bad enough to be a problem

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:57 pm
by the pieman
a general observation plus also picking up on a comment from a Saints fan on RL fans

Saints only used 1 of their subs (just checked it was 1 until 74th minute when a 2nd sub was used)
On here, quite a few have complained about how poor our subs were

is it possibly because of the intensity of the game, and it was difficult to come from cold on the bench to try and pick up the pace immediately? I'm no expert but could be a possible explanation.

there's no doubt our bench was better than Saints, and thats probably why Wellens never used his bench as very little experience on there

and strangely Matty only spelled Dupree, with Byrne, Mago and Hill, all rotating and then Junior went off for Walters

Re: Wigan squads for Derby double-header

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:22 pm
by EagleEyePie
Shaun1967 wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:16 am
Mike wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:15 am Anyone concerned about Harrys tip tackle? Hopefully not a ban.
I’m getting concerned at the number of times he’s trying this. Watching the game back it’s becoming a regular thing and I think the coaching staff need to address his technique or he will pick up ban somewhere along the line.
He was lucky to have been playing v Penrith.
In fairness to Smith, he wasn't responsible for the tip tackle on the Saints fullback, it was Keighran. Smith grabbed the right leg but the lift was minimal. It's the lift of the left leg from Keighran that led to the dangerous tackle.