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Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:00 pm
by Mike
morley pie eater wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:10 pm
Can I make a serious point, with no intention to argue with anyone?
This is a long thread, and not the first one, which is primarily about refs and their decisions. The aim of clubs and the RFL is to "engage" with fans. (The IMG even includes online or social media engagement as one of its criteria.)
Therefore the people arguing against too many replays and overuse of the video ref are inadvertently helping to persuade the powers that be to keep doing what they do, or even give us more.
Just a thought!
100%. If there was nothing to complain about, "engagement" would drop through the floor!
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:37 pm
by Wintergreen
Oh come on.
Trying to stop Wiganers from having a good moan is like trying to stop the tide from coming in!
NOT going to happen.
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:48 pm
by DaveO
morley pie eater wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:10 pm
Can I make a serious point, with no intention to argue with anyone?
This is a long thread, and not the first one, which is primarily about refs and their decisions. The aim of clubs and the RFL is to "engage" with fans. (The IMG even includes online or social media engagement as one of its criteria.)
Therefore the people arguing against too many replays and overuse of the video ref are inadvertently helping to persuade the powers that be to keep doing what they do, or even give us more.
Just a thought!
You are not being serious you? The implication is the RFL are deliberately pissing the fans off to secure engagement? Really?
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:55 pm
by Flash
Wintergreen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:37 pm
Oh come on.
Trying to stop Wiganers from having a good moan is like trying to stop the tide from coming in!
NOT going to happen.
My name is Canute and I beg to differ...
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:26 pm
by Stanfax
Regarding the inordinate length of time it took to come to a decision on the Miski try. I got the feeling that Ben Thaler wanted to see the two camera angles (one showing the grounding, the other the touchline from behind) in sync together before he made a decision and the director, for whatever reason, took his time giving him that. He (Thaler) said a few times that he was waiting for the "TX", or something like that, to confirm what he already seemed to think.
Whatever, I get as fed up as the next person with the seemingly interminable delays, but happy to accept it this time, as without the VR Miski would have been denied one of the most improbable scores I have ever seen.
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:56 am
by moto748
Stanfax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:26 pm
Regarding the inordinate length of time it took to come to a decision on the Miski try. I got the feeling that Ben Thaler wanted to see the two camera angles (one showing the grounding, the other the touchline from behind) in sync together before he made a decision and the director, for whatever reason, took his time giving him that. He (Thaler) said a few times that he was waiting for the "TX", or something like that, to confirm what he already seemed to think.
Whatever, I get as fed up as the next person with the seemingly interminable delays, but happy to accept it this time, as without the VR Miski would have been denied one of the most improbable scores I have ever seen.
You're probably right, and in that case I was perhaps a little unfair to Thaler. But he stuck to it, and got there in the end. But it still doesn't make the time taken acceptable. In real time, I didn't think it was a try for a moment, and I can't imagine many did. Even Miski looked bemused.
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 4:15 am
by Mike
Stanfax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:26 pm
Regarding the inordinate length of time it took to come to a decision on the Miski try. I got the feeling that Ben Thaler wanted to see the two camera angles (one showing the grounding, the other the touchline from behind) in sync together before he made a decision and the director, for whatever reason, took his time giving him that. He (Thaler) said a few times that he was waiting for the "TX", or something like that, to confirm what he already seemed to think.
Whatever, I get as fed up as the next person with the seemingly interminable delays, but happy to accept it this time, as without the VR Miski would have been denied one of the most improbable scores I have ever seen.
TX = time stamp.
If we had the appropriate tech this would be fast and standard. However, we can't even reset a clock at the moment, so mutl-camera feeds in sync to multiple monitors at all games is obviously well out of reach for us.
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 8:01 am
by fozzie58
Mike wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 4:15 am
Stanfax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:26 pm
Regarding the inordinate length of time it took to come to a decision on the Miski try. I got the feeling that Ben Thaler wanted to see the two camera angles (one showing the grounding, the other the touchline from behind) in sync together before he made a decision and the director, for whatever reason, took his time giving him that. He (Thaler) said a few times that he was waiting for the "TX", or something like that, to confirm what he already seemed to think.
Whatever, I get as fed up as the next person with the seemingly interminable delays, but happy to accept it this time, as without the VR Miski would have been denied one of the most improbable scores I have ever seen.
TX = time stamp.
If we had the appropriate tech this would be fast and standard. However, we can't even reset a clock at the moment, so mutl-camera feeds in sync to multiple monitors at all games is obviously well out of reach for us.
Agreed Mike and this is why the captains challenge should be scrapped at least till such times as they can acquire the tech needed or if it is there someone who knows how to implement it properly
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 8:28 am
by Firestarter
Ive just watched the highlights again and accept the miski try time due to obvious reasons.Now the first french try was ridiculous how he rechecked the put down even though smith was basically holding frenchys hand.He should of just checked the onside, job done.By the way we moan coz we want the game to be better and concentrate on the game and not controversy.Like i said previously IF we had lost it would have been easy to have a go at officials like a lot of fans do.We want consistency and fun or else we might end up watching a game as boring as Union, baseball and NFL stop start nonsense
Re: Wigan squad for Hull FC (SLR9)
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:31 pm
by Exiled Wiganer
Flash wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:55 pm
Wintergreen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:37 pm
Oh come on.
Trying to stop Wiganers from having a good moan is like trying to stop the tide from coming in!
NOT going to happen.
My name is Canute and I beg to differ...
I was brought up on trips back from Wigan games with th grown ups endlessly asking each other “who missed that tackle” after the most comfortable of victories. It’s a noble tradition.
As for Canute, I read that he has been unfairly misunderstood, and his act was to demonstrate that it was impossible even for a king to stop the tide coming in. He must be furious in heaven/providence/St Helens.