A W O L

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thegimble
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Wintergreen wrote:
thegimble wrote:
Wintergreen wrote:Rot in the reserves? LOL

Like Cas could afford this financially or otherwise!!!

1. Paying a player to do nothing.
2. That player's wages counting against the salary cap, preventing a replacement to be brought in.


I say again, the contract gives a club ZERO leverage in a "Solomona" situation and I have yet to see an argument to counter this.

Happy to be proven wrong.
Only 2 options available to them

1. Sort out a deal with Sale
2. Refuse to pay him force him to turn up.

Only options Cas had. So Solomona engineered a move from them himself. Which will end up in court. Think Cas is having help with the legal team if you consider who they are reported in using.

Irony in all of this is the impact it could have on all sports.
1. And if Sale say "on your bike". That's the end of that one.
2. I don't understand what you mean on this one. How can Cas "force" him to "turn up"?

If he doesn't want to play, how can they "force" him?

And even by some bizzare mechanism they did, he could feign injury 2 mins into the match and they are left a man short for the duration.

So both options are non options.


It has been done where teams have refused a player to leave and they have forced them to turn up. Suarez at Liverpool re Arsenal bid the most blatant one. Players have been refused to break a contract and not walked out.

What will be interesting when this hits the courts who else bid for Solomona. WE went after him apparently as did others.
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FWarrior wrote:If a player wants to leave he can drop passes, miss tackles, screw the team.
Would be fun to se the beating he would have got after the game. Now allegedly Cas team have a history of beating up an unpopular player.
Wintergreen
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thegimble wrote:
Wintergreen wrote:
thegimble wrote: Only 2 options available to them

1. Sort out a deal with Sale
2. Refuse to pay him force him to turn up.

Only options Cas had. So Solomona engineered a move from them himself. Which will end up in court. Think Cas is having help with the legal team if you consider who they are reported in using.

Irony in all of this is the impact it could have on all sports.
1. And if Sale say "on your bike". That's the end of that one.
2. I don't understand what you mean on this one. How can Cas "force" him to "turn up"?

If he doesn't want to play, how can they "force" him?

And even by some bizzare mechanism they did, he could feign injury 2 mins into the match and they are left a man short for the duration.

So both options are non options.


It has been done where teams have refused a player to leave and they have forced them to turn up. Suarez at Liverpool re Arsenal bid the most blatant one. Players have been refused to break a contract and not walked out.

What will be interesting when this hits the courts who else bid for Solomona. WE went after him apparently as did others.
You mean where the clubs were rich and there was no salary cap? :D

Wintergreen
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thegimble wrote:
FWarrior wrote:If a player wants to leave he can drop passes, miss tackles, screw the team.
Would be fun to se the beating he would have got after the game. Now allegedly Cas team have a history of beating up an unpopular player.
Beating?

LMAO what planet are you on?

Players seriously going to risk jail?

The booze hound
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FWarrior wrote:IF A PLAYER WANTS TO HE CAN drop passes, miss tackles, SCREW THE TEAM.
What would the cheerleaders do then?
thegimble
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Wintergreen wrote:
thegimble wrote:
FWarrior wrote:If a player wants to leave he can drop passes, miss tackles, screw the team.
Would be fun to se the beating he would have got after the game. Now allegedly Cas team have a history of beating up an unpopular player.
Beating?

LMAO what planet are you on?

Players seriously going to risk jail?
Take it you do not know about the issues in Cas last year.
thegimble
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Wintergreen wrote:
thegimble wrote:
Wintergreen wrote: 1. And if Sale say "on your bike". That's the end of that one.
2. I don't understand what you mean on this one. How can Cas "force" him to "turn up"?

If he doesn't want to play, how can they "force" him?

And even by some bizzare mechanism they did, he could feign injury 2 mins into the match and they are left a man short for the duration.

So both options are non options.


It has been done where teams have refused a player to leave and they have forced them to turn up. Suarez at Liverpool re Arsenal bid the most blatant one. Players have been refused to break a contract and not walked out.

What will be interesting when this hits the courts who else bid for Solomona. WE went after him apparently as did others.
You mean where the clubs were rich and there was no salary cap? :D
Yes just like the French rugby sides have. Ironically the RFU will have as much an issue if contracts are not worth a transfer fee as we will. Especially if they carry on the policy of not selecting players who play outside England.

Only 2 winners in all of this Agents and Lawyers.
Wintergreen
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thegimble wrote:
Wintergreen wrote:
thegimble wrote: It has been done where teams have refused a player to leave and they have forced them to turn up. Suarez at Liverpool re Arsenal bid the most blatant one. Players have been refused to break a contract and not walked out.

What will be interesting when this hits the courts who else bid for Solomona. WE went after him apparently as did others.
You mean where the clubs were rich and there was no salary cap? :D
Yes just like the French rugby sides have. Ironically the RFU will have as much an issue if contracts are not worth a transfer fee as we will. Especially if they carry on the policy of not selecting players who play outside England.

Only 2 winners in all of this Agents and Lawyers.
Totally agree with you there.
morley pie eater
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thegimble wrote:
Wintergreen wrote:Most people on here are missing the point.

We are talking about two different sports here.

It's a bit like a plumber resigning from his company and becoming an electrician.

At the risk of repeating myself where do the people who think that a transfer fee is required in law draw the line?

Suppose Solomona had decided to take up darts. Would a fee be payable here?
What if the plumber had a contract to do a job in a big house and stops halfway through. Is he not liable to finish the contract or to come to terms with the contract provider.

Taking up another sport interesting one that but he would still have to finish his contract or face the threat of action.

All depends Terms and conditions of his contract
If the plumber walked out half-way through a job, there may well be a penalty clause in the contract. I wonder, if Solomona "gets away" with this, if RL clubs should consider including something similar in player contracts in future?
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Wintergreen
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Perhaps that is the way forward?

Once we leave the EU then it could be a possibility.

On a slight tangent, it's nice to have debate without personal insults. Gimble PM'd me with some info with no malice whatsoever, even though we were "arguing" our cases on here.

Great to see :eusa2:
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