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If nothing else IMHO, one good thing has come out of this, CP has hopefully started posting full time again! Long may it continue, I always found the posts informative & interesting.

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I anticipate TonyH merging this with the existing Widnes v Wigan thread. Nothing on here that hasn't been covered on there!

Kittwazzer wrote:I anticipate TonyH merging this with the existing Widnes v Wigan thread. Nothing on here that hasn't been covered on there!

Didn't you hear KW? FTT now tells me which threads to moderate etc. He is the King of Kings (abbreviated to KOK).



It is obvious that the team Wane picked was capable of beating Widnes due to the fact we were quite far ahead however the mindset and closing out of the game may not be instilled in to the younger players yet, which is why as CP says they should have been played next to players like Lockers, Richards and Leuluai.

Totally wrong, arrogant and disrespectful.
No wonder Widnes played so hard.
Wane effectively sent every Widnes player a telegram saying "You're $**t!"
And guess what? They proved him wrong.

exile in Tiger country wrote:Totally wrong, arrogant and disrespectful.
No wonder Widnes played so hard.
Wane effectively sent every Widnes player a telegram saying "You're $**t!"
And guess what? They proved him wrong.

It might have seemed so but I dot think Wane was being disrespectfull or arrogant, he saw the game as an ideal chance to blood some of his young guns and it almost come off. I applaud him for taking the risk and he now knows more about the qualitites of the young players he has in reserve. I hope he continues in blooding our young fringe players and I am sure by the end of a long hard season we will be glad he did.LOOK what happened last season with two teams who were strugling through injuries to their teams early on went on to contest in the grand final

nellywelly wrote:

exile in Tiger country wrote:Totally wrong, arrogant and disrespectful.
No wonder Widnes played so hard.
Wane effectively sent every Widnes player a telegram saying "You're $**t!"
And guess what? They proved him wrong.

It might have seemed so but I dot think Wane was being disrespectfull or arrogant, he saw the game as an ideal chance to blood some of his young guns and it almost come off. I applaud him for taking the risk and he now knows more about the qualitites of the young players he has in reserve. I hope he continues in blooding our young fringe players and I am sure by the end of a long hard season we will be glad he did.LOOK what happened last season with two teams who were strugling through injuries to their teams early on went on to contest in the grand final

Well if you don't think Wane's team selection didn't motivate Widnes all I can say is you have never played much team sport in your life.

If he pulls the same stunt this week again against "weaker" opposition it will motivate London as well.

If he does this again (ripping the leadership out of the side and playing so many fringe players) the result will most likely be the same as Widnes are by far the worst side in the league so I sincerely hope he has learnt his lesson.

No one on here before Wane did it v Widnes would have been asking for Wane to select a team like that and I suspect that includes you.

I am sure like me you wanted Madge to have given a game or two to one or two young players last season (as he did do in fact in 2010)and that is what we both expected Wane to do at some point, not play a side with L Tomkins, Hughes, Mellor, Russell and Gelling in it all at once.

And I really wish people would stop trying to justify Wane's mistake by pointing to last season. Since 1998 only two teams in 13 years have won it from outside the top two.

Equally we won a GF and a CC when we finished first and second in the league. Under Noble where "the season only starts in August" we won nothing for 3 1/2 years.

And that is before we consider people do not pay good money to see reserve sides contest SL matches.

It's about balance and hopefully the thing that Wane will have learned from that game is do not do that again.

Saints and Leeds who along with us are best at bringing though young players have never done as Wane did.

He won't have learned anything about the players except as someone else pointed out if you put too many in a 1st team game they won't be able to cope.

Unfortunately I have not read anything yet where he has acknowledged his selections were wrong when everybody else, press included, thinks it is blindingly obvious that it led to the defeat ("happy clappers" excepted).

Had Josh landed that goal(the only one he missed all day) we all would have been saying things like -We got out of jail, or, Bloody hell Shaun don't do that to us again or, those young lads didn't do too badly, but he missed and now no-one has a decent word for Shaun Wane. He already has the hardest managers job in Rugby keeping Wigan up there, and making sure the most critical supporters in the game are well entertained. If things are not going right it'll filter down from the players and those in the know, not from the
headhunters on the terraces who want blood after five games. Heavens above, we gave Millward longer than that.

bill.inger wrote:Had Josh landed that goal(the only one he missed all day) we all would have been saying things like -We got out of jail, or, Bloody hell Shaun don't do that to us again or, those young lads didn't do too badly, but he missed and now no-one has a decent word for Shaun Wane. He already has the hardest managers job in Rugby keeping Wigan up there, and making sure the most critical supporters in the game are well entertained. If things are not going right it'll filter down from the players and those in the know, not from the
headhunters on the terraces who want blood after five games. Heavens above, we gave Millward longer than that.

No, Uncle Mo and Whelan gave Millward longer than that, most supporters never wanted him.
Wane doesn't have the hardest job in rugby, he has some of the best players and the best support in the world. All he has to do is continue where Madge left off. He was the understudy to a genius for two years, so why make drastic, unforced changes to a system that worked. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I admit blooding one or two youngsters would have been a decent idea, but ripping out the spine of the team, including most of the leaders was ridiculous.