DaveO wrote:
As to Gelling, he'd have tried to win that single handed and would just as likely of made a pigs ear out of it. You can't rely on players like him to turn around a team playing like that.
Whereas we can of course rely on your crystal ball to tell us how someone would have fared had he played!
It's called having an opinion and while you might not believe it, or probably more to the point not like it, it is one based on watching how Gelling plays when the team has its backs up against the wall when the wheels have come off. He tries too hard and tries to take the entire opposition on single handed. He is not a team player and his team mates admit they don't know what he is going to do half the time.
Now granted at the moment we don't have much of team at all with our chance of scoring relying on luck or individual skill, which can work against poorer sides, I very much doubt he'd have made a great deal of difference at all tonight.
I don't agree with you saying that Gelling isn't a team player as many a try has come from his inventive play leading on to feeding his winger or other players.
Ellery Hanley is probably the finest example of other players not knowing what he was doing, some doubt he knew himself. But there's not a better British rugby player ever than Ellery Hanley in my mind.
This is not an attempt to compare Hanley with Gelling, as there is none, Gelling tries 100%+ for whatever reason. That's not a negative in my mind.
Kittwazzer wrote:
Whereas we can of course rely on your crystal ball to tell us how someone would have fared had he played!
It's called having an opinion and while you might not believe it, or probably more to the point not like it, it is one based on watching how Gelling plays when the team has its backs up against the wall when the wheels have come off. He tries too hard and tries to take the entire opposition on single handed. He is not a team player and his team mates admit they don't know what he is going to do half the time.
Now granted at the moment we don't have much of team at all with our chance of scoring relying on luck or individual skill, which can work against poorer sides, I very much doubt he'd have made a great deal of difference at all tonight.
I don't agree with you saying that Gelling isn't a team player as many a try has come from his inventive play leading on to feeding his winger or other players.
Ellery Hanley is probably the finest example of other players not knowing what he was doing, some doubt he knew himself. But there's not a better British rugby player ever than Ellery Hanley in my mind.
This is not an attempt to compare Hanley with Gelling, as there is none, Gelling tries 100%+ for whatever reason. That's not a negative in my mind.
He is a team player simple as that and I base that on the opinion of how hard he works for the team and how honest he is for the team!!
'If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them.' - Wayne Bennett
Gelling is one of the ones able to make stuff happen despite SW coaching some of the most structured, boring (sorry 'detail') attack you'll ever see. Players like Gelling, as a centre, are great to play alongside. If he was a half back then he'd be impossible to play with and he'd drive you insane. We need, need, need players like Gelling who can play with their eyes up because aside from Sam there's bog all in terms of anyone else in the team that could play sevens rugby with any flair.
LooseHead wrote:Gelling is one of the ones able to make stuff happen despite SW coaching some of the most structured, boring (sorry 'detail') attack you'll ever see. Players like Gelling, as a centre, are great to play alongside. If he was a half back then he'd be impossible to play with and he'd drive you insane. We need, need, need players like Gelling who can play with their eyes up because aside from Sam there's bog all in terms of anyone else in the team that could play sevens rugby with any flair.
LooseHead wrote:Gelling is one of the ones able to make stuff happen despite SW coaching some of the most structured, boring (sorry 'detail') attack you'll ever see. Players like Gelling, as a centre, are great to play alongside. If he was a half back then he'd be impossible to play with and he'd drive you insane. We need, need, need players like Gelling who can play with their eyes up because aside from Sam there's bog all in terms of anyone else in the team that could play sevens rugby with any flair.
I will probably get slated off by certain people but ive said before that I believe Gelling has so much natural ability. I too think we need more players playing off the cuff rugby instead of the predictable stuff we are being served up at the moment
DaveO wrote:
Taylor was class early on for us and look like the cat who got the cream when he won the CC for us v Hull of all teams.
Yet things must have been so bad here we sent him on loan for his final year of his contract. It's nad player management and I am not surprised he looks a better player in a different team.
It used to bne players who left Wigan never looked that good. Now they look better than they did here (he isn't the only one is he!).
As to Gelling, he'd have tried to win that single handed and would just as likely of made a pigs ear out of it. You can't rely on players like him to turn around a team playing like that.
Taylor was always gonna go to Hull FC, him & all his family are massive FC supporters.
He became unsettled when FC became interested in him after the CC & his missus claimed homesickness!! He then went on to spit his dummy out & that was the start of him not wanting to play for us anymore. If they don't want to play or to be here get rid IMO
Correct Josie, we do not want players who use the famous name of Wigan as a shop window to get elsewhere.
Isn't that exactly what Joel, Mossop and Sam T have done though??
Come to think of it. Any player that leaves Wigan with years left in their career could be accused of "using" the club as a stepping stone towards the contract they felt they where worth but Wigan thought them "replaceable"?
It was only because there new careers faltered that the 3 listed above came running back to Wigan. It is also fair to say that (apart from Sam who has been injured) none have shown the form that saw them move in the first place.
How long or should we persist with players no longer at the peak of their game in this team?
