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I couild not agree less.

we have gone through a constant stream of coaches all to no avail. the one common factor is Mo.
where has he disappeared to?
Hwe was everywhere when we won a game.
When we lose it has nothing to do with him.

where is the progress he has made?
Its always on its way, just one more year, transition.
Well transition my backside.
He is no longer up to the job.
Especially as he does it as a part time hobby.
surely he was the only one who did not see the irony when he claimed in the interview last week that "we were more stable than that" when asked about Mildreds job.
He even kept a straight face!

Kat posted:
We've sacked loads of coaches in the past, it never changed anything then, so why will it now? I think it's about time we tried something different, and got rid of Lindsey.

So how would getting rid of Mo improve matters? He has no direct say in team selections or tactics and nor is he responsible for the injury situation.

You could sack the entire board and it wouldn't change a thing and I am pretty sure he is as fed up as we are the current sitation.

Dave

At the moment nobody I guess.

Right up until the end of last week I was still against the idea of anyone being sacked, mainly because I couldn't see who would replace them. But after Friday, it's difficult to keep on denying the obvious.

Whoever's at fault, if this excuse for a team won't play for Ian Millward, then there's no point in him staying. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make a mental note of who the ringleaders are and see them punished at some later date, but at present it's got to be the coach. He must have tried everything he knows to motivate them by now, and it's still not working. Also, the rumours keep pouring in about discontent in the camp - not just via these message boards, but on GMR as well, and, as we all know, there's rarely smoke without fire.

We've seen the effects of player-power before at Wigan, and it's not always been to the detriment of the club. As a fan, I could forgive it under John Dorahy, mainly because I didn't rate him as a coach - at least, not compared to the coaches we'd previously had - and because I trusted the then Wigan team to start winning again if they did it their way instead of his, which they subsequently did. This situation, of course, is very different. This time it's the coach who has the know-how and it's the players who are ignorant under-achievers, but unfortunately it makes no difference. If they won't work for him, then there's no point in him hanging on.

I certainly agree with Dave with regard to Mo. What would be the point in getting rid of the club chairman? He's messed up over the last few seasons without a doubt, but to some extent that's already been recognised in the appointment of new directors. Besides, he's a fanatical Wigan RL man in the heart of an organisation that at present has a lot more reason to be proud of Wigan Athletic (not that they're setting the league alight in this second half of their season, but they're getting more plaudits than us), so it might be important that Mo stays at the helm for more reasons than we know.

At the end of the day, and I'm sad to admit this, I can't see any alternative to Millward leaving. But by the same token, as with the players' strike that crippled us in the late-70s, I'll only be really happy when the mercenary swine who've refused to perform and subsequently let the club and the fans down so badly, also get their marching orders.

Cruncher is it not better that he stays, given he will now know who is wearing the shirt with honour and pride and who is not. Somebody coming in, will spend time getting us exactly to the stage Millward is at now and replace exactly the same players.

cpwigan posted:
Cruncher is it not better that he stays, given he will now know who is wearing the shirt with honour and pride and who is not. Somebody coming in, will spend time getting us exactly to the stage Millward is at now and replace exactly the same players.

Don't get me wrong, I don't especially want Millward to leave because it would cause yet more disruption. And I agree with your comments - what you say is an entirely possible outcome.

It's just that we're now a third of the way through the season, and there's no obvious sign of things improving. My suspicion is that some of these so-called Wigan players - and more than a few - are just not responding to Millward's coaching techniques. For whatever reason - whether they don't like him, or he doesn't like them, or he's being too soft with them, or too hard, or what he asks is too much for them, or there are too many arguments in training, or nobody ever talks at all in training, whatever - the essential chemistry is clearly not there between coach and team. Whether it would be there with someone else is debatable, but sometimes a fresh start is the only option. Mid-season is not ideally the time for something like that, but at this rate we'll be in the next division down, and who would want to come and coach us then?

I honestly can't see that there's any alternative. I just hope that, if it happens, Lindsay and Whelan finally get their act together and recruit someone good, and that they do it quickly, because kicking IM out and leaving the team in the hands of yet another assistant coach, for any period of time at all, would surely be the final nail in our coffin.

Cruncher, I think some of our players are simply not good enough. Although, if IM seriously thinks Brown is as good as he suggest then i do worry

Emma,
I Totally disagree with your train of thought. The club has obviously got inherent problems this is comming out in the form of injuries and last seasons star players not performing over night. Sackiong the coach is the last thing that we would want to do cos who ever takes over will still have all of the inhereted problems. We need to get the team back on track through:
1) youth development - leading to a greater squad depth
2) better handling of our wage bill i.e. not burning it up so fast on so called star overseas player, but by rewarding young talent coming through the ranks
2) An out an out leader on the field to marshel the players into shape.

Sermon ends!

Yes i know there is alot of problems at the club and alot that happens behind closed doors that were never going to know about but since milward turned up things have just got from bad to worse

emma warriors simply the best posted:
Yes i know there is alot of problems at the club and alot that happens behind closed doors that were never going to know about but since milward turned up things have just got from bad to worse

They've been on the way down for years. No title since 1998, only one cup victory for even longer, top quality players coming in but somehow failing miserably to reproduce the form and skills they were noted for elsewhere...