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Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:59 pm
by adrenalinxx
Wigan Watcher posted:
No Dave you are wrong here, I have never said Fielden was a prop and only described him as a top player and always stated he is a second row player
As far as this saying goes and I know it is said a lot, I don’t agree with it!
Both form and class are temporary.
Form over time is lost and so is class, you can’t say watching Andy Gregory he is a class scrum half at this present moment, but he was once!
There are a lot of factors that affect the performance of a player.
If you take class to mean a players skill, knowledge of rugby and natural ability then I would say that in terms of sporting career that is permanent. Andy Gregory is still probably just as good with a rugby ball as he was when playing for Wigan, I’m sure he still has a great rugby mind and natural ability can not be questioned.
Form on the other hand can be affected by a lot, physical condition is a major one of these, if you do not have the fitness you can not play to your best but if that player regains that fitness then they can return to their best. Andy Gregory is not going to start playing rugby again because rugby requires a high level of fitness that many people over 30 can not achieve. You could argue that if class was permanent then why do some people start of brightly and then fade, well the ability is still there but for what ever reason they are not able to show it.
In the case of Stuart Fielden his form has been poor perhaps due to his knee injury, the death of his mother, a tough season and the list can goes on but if Fielden keeps fit and regains his confidence then he will be just as good as he was a few years ago. I certainly do not think that Fielden is at the stage were age is a major factor in his playing ability.
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:09 pm
by Doveoverdave
Wigan Watcher posted:
Fielden is a player I like, hard and determined. He came up against the best props in the world and came up very short. He is very good against the props over here but he is not a world class prop. He may be a world class second rower, who knows!
You obviously haven't been watching Fielden very long.
He has been rated no. 1 prop since the age of 23 and the NRL would love him to join their ranks. He has never played 2nd row as a senior player on any sort of regular basis.
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:24 pm
by Wigan Watcher
Doveoverdave posted:
Wigan Watcher posted:
Fielden is a player I like, hard and determined. He came up against the best props in the world and came up very short. He is very good against the props over here but he is not a world class prop. He may be a world class second rower, who knows!
You obviously haven't been watching Fielden very long.
He has been rated no. 1 prop since the age of 23 and the NRL would love him to join their ranks. He has never played 2nd row as a senior player on any sort of regular basis.
Wrong on both accounts
I have watched Fielden as long as most people and when he played second row for Bradford
Number one prop: Without looking I would say you are wrong but just to confirm you are wrong, one Mr Peacock would have something to say about your statement this year .
You really must do better than these statements.
Player Profile. Stuart Fielden. DOB: 14 September 1979 Weight: 112kg Height: 190cm Usual Position: Prop, Second Row
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:37 pm
by DaveO
Wigan Watcher posted:
DaveO posted:
Fielden was not on-form for the tri-nations and as a result many are now coming out of the woodwork saying he was never that good anyway which flies in the face of previous performances where he was the form front rower. Yourself included.
As the old saying goes form is temporary, class is permanent. Fielden is class.
Dave
No Dave you are wrong here, I have never said Fielden was a prop and only described him as a top player and always stated he is a second row player
I think it is you who are now misreading posts. I was not saying you said he was a front rower at all. Read it again.
As far as this saying goes and I know it is said a lot, I don’t agree with it!
Both form and class are temporary.
Form over time is lost and so is class, you can’t say watching Andy Gregory he is a class scrum half at this present moment, but he was once!
That is a like saying when I am dead I won't be alive.
Your analogy is not realistic. Everyone accepts the saying refers to current players during their normal playing career.
Class players come back from bouts of poor form. What about Farrell? Slagged off quite a bit and then goes and wins MoS.
That is a good example that validates the old saying IMO.
Dave
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:17 am
by Wigan Watcher
Flash posted:
As far as this saying goes and I know it is said a lot, I don’t agree with it!
You don't agree with perhaps the most widely accepted piece of sporting widom in existence! You honestly do believe you know better than everyone else don't you? Until this statement I actually thought it was an act you put on to provoke debate. Priceless!
No I don’t
No I don’t . It was good to see it as a question instead of the wide statements you sometimes make about people though Flash my friend.
Both right and wrong on this one.
It has been said before and I can guess it will be said again, by the way I agree with me being priceless Flash or was you talking about my thoughts.
Either way I thank you.
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:40 pm
by lucky 13
erm peacock was mostly a second row at bradford while feilden was at prop ,but think the two positions are now more alike players may have styles that are their own ,so feilden is a good prop he would be a good second row in our pack ,faz's last games for wigan were good and he played prop in some of them so was he a better prop than second row ,loose forward,no he was a good player who when fully fit could fill a number of positions ,i don't think feiden as the same skills as faz ,he could'nt play standoff for 'eg' ,IMO keep him at prop
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:43 pm
by lucky 13
adrenalinxx posted:
Wigan Watcher posted:
No Dave you are wrong here, I have never said Fielden was a prop and only described him as a top player and always stated he is a second row player
As far as this saying goes and I know it is said a lot, I don’t agree with it!
Both form and class are temporary.
Form over time is lost and so is class, you can’t say watching Andy Gregory he is a class scrum half at this present moment, but he was once!
There are a lot of factors that affect the performance of a player.
If you take class to mean a players skill, knowledge of rugby and natural ability then I would say that in terms of sporting career that is permanent. Andy Gregory is still probably just as good with a rugby ball as he was when playing for Wigan, I’m sure he still has a great rugby mind and natural ability can not be questioned.
Form on the other hand can be affected by a lot, physical condition is a major one of these, if you do not have the fitness you can not play to your best but if that player regains that fitness then they can return to their best. Andy Gregory is not going to start playing rugby again because rugby requires a high level of fitness that many people over 30 can not achieve. You could argue that if class was permanent then why do some people start of brightly and then fade, well the ability is still there but for what ever reason they are not able to show it.
In the case of Stuart Fielden his form has been poor perhaps due to his knee injury, the death of his mother, a tough season and the list can goes on but if Fielden keeps fit and regains his confidence then he will be just as good as he was a few years ago. I certainly do not think that Fielden is at the stage were age is a major factor in his playing ability.
:eusa2: oh and i agree
Re: FIELDEN ADMITS...........
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:50 pm
by loyal
I think that Fielden, (no i dont think.. ITS A FACT, tht fielden is one of if not the BEST prop forward in rugby league. Hes proven his self to the fans on many occations, on the ball and off the ball.
Hes a great leader and youngsters are about to look up to him as a great example. He may run like a 2nd Row, and play like a 2nd Row. But if he PERSONALLY felt he wasnt a prop, dont you think he would have told Noble a long time ago!
Hes a PROP, and hes a Great one at that!