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GeoffN posted:
Too simplistic, especially against Saints; look how often they were offloading in the tackle. The ball has to be wrapped up, which is what we weren't doing.

you hit someone at pace around the legs and they go down to quickly...not hang onto their legs while they stand up. Its because their technique is all wrong as they are all being trained to tackle up top.

Geoff has it right. You will be amazed how in depth Australian NRL Coaches go into tackling technique. Unless, you are defending from fullback and are small in stature they frown upon tackling low. First, the number of injuries suffered by defenders attempting to tackle low is far higher than defenders tackling high. Second, if you go low, the attack gets a quick play of the ball and gains momentum. Third, if the first man goes in low it becomes impossible for the second man to guarantee his target area will not have shifted due to the low tackle and hence the second tackle very often ends up commiting a dangerous tackle where he gets penalised and or sent off.

The key for the Australians is that if a player is running with the ball in his left hand. The defender nearest to the left hand must go in and hit above the ball. So a left handed carry would be tackled by your left shoulder and you would be coming at him from outside in. So you lock the ball up and thus even if the attacker carry on going forward, he cannot offload. The second defender comes in and stops the attackers momentum. This second defender takes the right side of the attacker and lifts the attackers right leg off the ground thereby unbalancing him.

If a defender tackles a player carrying the ball with his left hand on his right side what happens is that the attacker can still offload. Something that happens also if you tackle too low. If you hit from the right and try to get to the ball very often the tackling arm bounces off the ball and ends up high. Worse still, the second tackler has to hit on the ball side and with contact already made he could hit the ball and bounce up towards the face thereby conceding a penalty.

That is just one facet of how hard the Australians work at perfecting the most important part of our sport. They also work on positioning of legs, posture and so forth. Light years ahead of us.

A player who gives his all and on friday he stood head and shoulders above any other Wigan player.How anybody can say Feka had a good game is a joke!He plays 10 mins each half a total liability.

i agree with CP Feka needs to be more in the game , his 10 mins here and 10 mins there is no good to us.

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Loughlin as well iam sick of people on this site praising him .At best he is average

pedro posted:
round the legs....Roby put Feka down everytime with it. Hit them fast and hard around the legs and they will not have time to offload. You are told this from the age of 7....too many people go high these days makes me laugh.

If you truly believe that then I am sorry, you know nothing. The main thing a tackler has to consider nowadays is how to stop the offload, it's become that important in the game. This means going high and hitting around the ball. Like it or not Lockers does it as well as anybody and other players would get praise for it. Some people just seem to have a grudge against him and I can't see why.

Best defender in our side bar none.

cpwigan posted:
Geoff has it right. You will be amazed how in depth Australian NRL Coaches go into tackling technique. Unless, you are defending from fullback and are small in stature they frown upon tackling low. First, the number of injuries suffered by defenders attempting to tackle low is far higher than defenders tackling high.

Is it? I don't have the stats to hand. However I know for a fact if you tackle high in a one on on situation you risk a hand off in the fact at least and more to the point need immense strength to stop a player with momentum if you go high.

You may have noticed Feka gets stopped sooner this season than last. The reason is coaches have a player go low on him to get his legs having given up on trying to tackle him higher up.

You can't run without legs and while going low is potentially risky due to knees and boots flying around this is where really good technique comes into play. To tackle low properly and not get a mouthful of knee takes timing, power and bravery.

Second, if you go low, the attack gets a quick play of the ball and gains momentum. Third, if the first man goes in low it becomes impossible for the second man to guarantee his target area will not have shifted due to the low tackle and hence the second tackle very often ends up commiting a dangerous tackle where he gets penalised and or sent off.

I totally disagree. It is part of the team work of the defence. As I mentioned already coaches are having one man in low on Feka to get his legs and then one but more likely two, hit him high. You can't generalise that if a player goes low it will be a penalty because you only need to watch the game to see this is not the case. Penalties in the tackle at the moment are mostly for lifting but again that is technique.

The key for the Australians is that if a player is running with the ball in his left hand. The defender nearest to the left hand must go in and hit above the ball. So a left handed carry would be tackled by your left shoulder and you would be coming at him from outside in. So you lock the ball up and thus even if the attacker carry on going forward, he cannot offload.

Again this is a generalisation. You can't expect a player like Ashton to execute this successfully on a player like Fozzard. Smaller players who try this make themselves look poor when they fail to execute any type of tackle because they are brushed off. If a smaller player goes low and so the prop still offloads as he falls the problem is not the initial tackle but the fact he has no one else to come in second man coupled possibly with a bad low tackling technique

The second defender comes in and stops the attackers momentum. This second defender takes the right side of the attacker and lifts the attackers right leg off the ground thereby unbalancing him.

If a defender tackles a player carrying the ball with his left hand on his right side what happens is that the attacker can still offload. Something that happens also if you tackle too low.

This is a free flowing game not a predictable sequence of events. Players are going to be tackling form the "wrong" side and smaller players are going to be faced with bigger players.

A well executed low tackle can have a big man hit the deck before he can do anything with the ball.

One low, one high and the third to wrap the ball up if needed will work 90% of the time in my opinion.

Dave

Likeley Lad have you ever played rugby , it does not seem that way to me . The first principle of tackling is to take the legs , my two lads where always taught that from a very early and they became good players using coorect low tackling techniques

Dave O you are wrong and in many ways it is not your fault or anybody elses. It is what we have been indoctrinated to think over 2 decades or more. The reality is the great GB teams of the past 1960s + before were renowned for ball and all tackling. They went high. The great French teams of the 50s / 60s did not enjoy tackling so they went low. Australia in the 70's and early 80's married the 2 techniques and that brough about the one low, one high technique. That was relevant 20 years ago. Australia have moved on from that.

Your argument re Feka is incorrect. He is still the best yardage maker for Wigan this season and creates mayhem for the next runner. He does that with no push from his teammates. Push is when you support the ball carrier. Saints had lots of push. Later in the game when he decided to offload he did so easily.

The discussion I learned about this technique from showed numerous high tackles that were brought about by by the first player going low. The coaches stated that injuries, mainly head wounds were incurred by players going low.

If you tackle a ball carrier from the ball side how can he fend That is the whole point. You are also tackling a nice inflated piece of leather. The job of tackler 1 is to take the ball, tacker 2 stops the momentum and the best way to do that is by lifting a leg. If you life the leg on the opposite side to the ball the shoulder carrying the ball falls to the ground first making it harder to get up quick and increasing the risk of losing the ball.

The other technique the Aussie are now developing is to not only take the ball BUT wrestle the ball carrying arm to loosen the grap on the ball and create knock ons etc. So rather than ball steal, they attack the ball carrying arm.

OAM posted:
Likeley Lad have you ever played rugby , it does not seem that way to me . The first principle of tackling is to take the legs , my two lads where always taught that from a very early and they became good players using coorect low tackling techniques

I don't normally say anything, but since you asked. I was asked to sign on for Widnes when I left my high school but (regretably) I turned the offer down as there was only one club I wanted to play for. I just wasn't good enough.

Low tackling works a treat in the junior game but as the standard increases massive focus is put upon offloading and in defence stopping the offload. Like it or not, offloading in the tackle is what absolutely kills defenses. Going high prevents this. When I talk about going high, I only mean it when the player is in the defensive line. I'm not stupid, taking the legs can stop the player but it is always better that the first tackler goes high and secures the ball.