Standard Of Refereeing!!!

[robjoenz]

butt monkey posted:
My Imagination!

I'm glad you agree

the number of times this does actually happen is greater than you would imagine!

You don't realise how closely I scrutine referees. Referee's don't start giving sides with a player advantage a hard time with penalties. How would they justify it when their match was reviewed?

As for not dismissing a player (bin or other), for foul play - are you honestly suggesting this goes on in order to make a referee's life easier? Your statement reads that way!

I'm not sure you understood my point... I was saying that it would be easier to leave a player on the field than sin-bin him; than it would be to start playing games with the penalty count. A referee doesn't want to make his job any more difficult than it already is.

As for this statement: "Sides giving away lots of penalties do a lot more defending and hence generally concede a lot more points." Not exactly worked with Wigan has it? Despite being near the bottom of the "Fair Play League", and the numerous penalties conceded, we are still in 4th spot (pre-any possible points deduction). So you're as guilty of generalising as I am

Look at statistics though... if a side loses the penalty count they often lose the game. Unfortunately, I don't have a source to hand, but I know it's true. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, however, it is a definate trend.

Re: Wigan, you will find that the games where they were caned in the penalty count are the games they've lost.

Where have I said on this notice board that Referees cheat? Your confusing me with someone else or giving the usual blank excuse that all referees like to give for their decisions. (Claiming that we all think they cheat anyway)

You have said that when a side is missing a player that the referees leans towards them. That would be cheating.

[butt monkey]

robjoenz posted:
You don't realise how closely I scrutine referees. Referee's don't start giving sides with a player advantage a hard time with penalties. How would they justify it when their match was reviewed?

Easy, just say all fans think that refs cheat anyway and ignore the fans regardless

robjoenz posted:
Look at statistics though... if a side loses the penalty count they often lose the game. Unfortunately, I don't have a source to hand, but I know it's true. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, however, it is a definate trend.

Re: Wigan, you will find that the games where they were caned in the penalty count are the games they've lost.

Peculiar, though dont you think, that the best behaved teams (Salford, Catalans and Quins) on the Fair Play Table, are actually more or less struggling in Super League.

[butt monkey]

robjoenz posted:
You have said that when a side is missing a player that the referees leans towards them. That would be cheating.

They are your words not mine!!!!!

[robjoenz]

butt monkey posted:

robjoenz posted:
You have said that when a side is missing a player that the referees leans towards them. That would be cheating.

They are your words not mine!!!!!

:eusa17: I'm the one saying that referees referee the same regardless of how many players are on each side.

[robjoenz]

butt monkey posted:

robjoenz posted:
How would they justify it when their match was reviewed?

Easy, just say all fans think that refs cheat anyway and ignore the fans regardless

They aren't being reviewed by fans, they are reviewed by people at the RFL and by the referees themselves.

Peculiar, though dont you think, that the best behaved teams (Salford, Catalans and Quins) on the Fair Play Table, are actually more or less struggling in Super League.

The season-to-date statistics do not account for form of teams or if they conceed an expectionally high amount of penalties in a small number of games.

You need to look on a game by game basis, if one side gets hammered in the penalty count for ill-discipline they generally get beaten on the scoreboard too.

[butt monkey]

robjoenz posted:

butt monkey posted:

robjoenz posted:
You have said that when a side is missing a player that the referees leans towards them. That would be cheating.

They are your words not mine!!!!!

:eusa17: I'm the one saying that referees referee the same regardless of how many players are on each side.

I take it you haven't seen or heard about the Wigan v Widnes CC final from 1993, then. A certain Ritchie Eyres was already off the field, and Bobby Goulding had just viciously assaulted another Wigan player.

Yet the referee was instructed (via the TJ) not to send him off, as it would further ruin the spectacle. That is a fact, so get over it. This does imo go on.

[butt monkey]

robjoenz posted:
The season-to-date statistics do not account for form of teams or if they conceed an expectionally high amount of penalties in a small number of games.

You need to look on a game by game basis, if one side gets hammered in the penalty count for ill-discipline they generally get beaten on the scoreboard too.

But, we are taking it that this Fair Play Table, is supposed to, in some way, represent some form of disciplinary performance by each team, irrespective of individual matches.

Overall, these clubs are conceding less penalties/less sin-binnings/send-offs etc than the other teams. Yet, prove that discipline is not the be all and end all in order to win matches!

[robjoenz]

butt monkey posted:

robjoenz posted:

butt monkey posted: They are your words not mine!!!!!

:eusa17: I'm the one saying that referees referee the same regardless of how many players are on each side.

I take it you haven't seen or heard about the Wigan v Widnes CC final from 1993, then. A certain Ritchie Eyres was already off the field, and Bobby Goulding had just viciously assaulted another Wigan player.

Yet the referee was instructed (via the TJ) not to send him off, as it would further ruin the spectacle. That is a fact, so get over it. This does imo go on.

I was only 11 or 12 then so I cannot comment on what happened 14 years ago. This was 14 years ago though you know. What I can comment on though is how things are run now.

[robjoenz]

Oh and I can't imagine a referee being TOLD what to do by his TJ.

[butt monkey]

robjoenz posted:
Oh and I can't imagine a referee being TOLD what to do by his TJ.

YES, it was passed on by the reserve official, to the TJ as he ran onto the pitch (cannot remember who).