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Do fans think Noble came up with a specific game plan for Saints and thus that meant no Ainscough?

cpwigan wrote:Do fans think Noble came up with a specific game plan for Saints and thus that meant no Ainscough?

Why not? He's the coach

Do we think Ainscough was dropped for his own good? What I mean by this is that if he would have picked Shaun, and he had had a shocker, his season would have been finished, and his confidence would have been badly damaged.

As it is now, he can come in, do, his usual game, and if he makes a couple of mistakes, (not saying he will of course ) but if he does, then he needn't worry about his season not being finished.

The worst he will get for this is maybye pulled to one side and told where he is going wrong.

Big Steve wrote:because the spotlight was so brighty on ainscough this weekend, if Saints had put pressure on him and he'd gad shocker, then it could easily have finished his season, confidence damaged, but more importantly given every club a blueprint of how to play against him - after a few weeks of being put under constant pressure of being targetted who knows what might happn to ayoung player?
If any team are capable of applying pressure on a player then it's saints.

So why not drop Tomkins as well? And Smith who is THE player to target?

He can now come back into the team under far less scrutiny and perform his usual game. The great thing about this season is that we have players who can come and do a good job -i can't see how anyone can complain about Phelps or Pat coming into the team, and Amos certainly helped keep the score down and saints out of the game.

He was ostensibly dropped because he would have been targeted by Saints according to you. So isn't that a green flag to any team to target him in future as Wigan have just admitted his defensive liability? What difference does leaving him out of the team make to that? None!

Nobby dropped smith for some very poor displays in defence where everyone was talking about targetting him, and therefore all teams did target him, now he's back in the team after the pressure on him was eased, 3 MoM performances and is a key to wigans season - good management from noble imo.

And as soon as you mention Tim Smith that is where your argument falls to bits.

The idea the pressure is off so teams won't target Smith does not make sense. Why is the pressure off? Why would teams stop targeting him because he was dropped for a few games?

What you have clearly realised is we have player in Smith who all teams targeted so you have to attempt to come up with an excuse why a defensive liability like Smith gets in the side while Ainscough, who's defensive liability is completely overstated, does not.

Do you seriously think Potter was giving Noble a tip when he said Saints would target him? Was he heck. He didn't want Ainscough in the side it was obvious.

Noble took all the risk on himself for this game which is what you get paid for as a coach - not to do what the fans say you should. If we lose he gets all the blame, if we win it's despite not picking ainscough.

That is because he was clearly wrong not to pick Ainscough for reasons stated in other posts.

What really annoys me about this debate is the readiness some people will jump on the "Ainscough is a defensive liability bandwagon" to defend Noble.

Ainscough is not a defensive liability any more than Phelps is and IMO it's about time people stopped doing Ainscugh down in attempting to come up with excuses for Noble dropping him.

Dave

Answers and replies here are pure speculation. Noble fielded a team that gubbed StH big style. He picked a winning team. SA was not first choice. The team he picked was. Someone had to loose out. HH has been a great servant in defence but where is the thread supporting him. Fact is we have too many first choice players for all to get a game. 17 took the field. That 17 took the spoils. The downers will try to retain some credibility by targetting Noble for dropping SA due to his popularity. I am not the only one on this site who saw an improvement week on week irrespective of the results. Given we have now turned over StH here's hoping we can kick on up the leader board. Six points adrift of top spot is not that bad. Will this season be the closest mid point ever?
jim

highland convert wrote:Answers and replies here are pure speculation. Noble fielded a team that gubbed StH big style. He picked a winning team. SA was not first choice. The team he picked was. Someone had to loose out. HH has been a great servant in defence but where is the thread supporting him. Fact is we have too many first choice players for all to get a game. 17 took the field. That 17 took the spoils. The downers will try to retain some credibility by targetting Noble for dropping SA due to his popularity. I am not the only one on this site who saw an improvement week on week irrespective of the results. Given we have now turned over StH here's hoping we can kick on up the leader board. Six points adrift of top spot is not that bad. Will this season be the closest mid point ever?
jim

Jim
Do you not think that the improvement that you say you see is not down to Ainscough in the first instance he has given the older players a bench mark to play to grit enthusiasm and a will to play rugby for WIGAN and has put the fear of god into the players and making them play better because if Noble can drop the leading try scorer who will be next .Smith ,Roberts have been dropped the reason Phelps is playing out of his skin is because he knows he could be the next one to be dropped.
IMO the reason we are playing better is Martin Gleeson who has brought a bit of steel into the attack and defense and protecting Smith.

What i can read into the thread is that Sean Ainscough was dropped because Mick Potter was going to bombard him with high balls and Nobby thinks that his defense is suspect .
That being the case then Sean will not be picked again.

jaws1 wrote:What i can read into the thread is that Sean Ainscough was dropped because Mick Potter was going to bombard him with high balls and Nobby thinks that his defense is suspect .
That being the case then Sean will not be picked again.

I hope this is not the case.

Remember how some people cry like babies when you refer to them as gullible. N.B All supporters of all clubs are irrational too BUT the comments in this thread show just how gullible supporters can be.

SA was not specifically dropped for the Saints match. It was not tactical master stroke. Noble does not believe he is good enough for his starting XIII when he has a full squad to select from. Right or wrong that is what Noble believes.

To believe he is specifically selecting him for certain matches is clearly incorrect. At the start of the season Noble showed that he believed SA was not ready/not good enough for SL. He did not select him in the first 3 roundfs of the season. Injury / fitness issues left him with no choice BUT to select Ainscough v Quins. NO CHOICE = SA. Whilst those injury / fitness issues contiunued SA was okay. His form was IMO irrelevant. He had actually played better IMO v Barrow, Saints, Cats than in earlier games. So he was improving / playing better.

SA was not dropped for a specific game. He has been dropped FULL STOP. He was not dropped for any duty of care nonsense. He was dropped because Noble believe he is not ready / not good enough. He is not prepared to say that so he hides behind duty of care nonsense.

SA was dropped v Celts and has been dropped ever since. NO CHOICE = SA, Carmont being ill got him a place v Wakey instead of a reserve spot. No matter what he did he was never going to retain his form. Form is not a huge factor with Noble. A common lie on his part exposed by evidence that you as fans have seen for 3 years. 4 tries however easy or difficult could not get SA a place in the Wigan first team. 17 tries could not get SA a place in the Wigan first team.

If you are gullible enough to swallow the duty of care / tactical genius nonsense then who in their right mind chooses a match v Celts to drop a player?

For those easily offended, sports fans are irrational and hence gullible.

There are also gullable fans on here who believe the wise words of the writers on here and the ever increasing cross postings from the rlfans forum. You would have to pick the best from every team and have a committee of coaches to please some. Look at the table. 6 points between first 9. Look at the unfancied names sitting so high HKR 2nd never must be a miss-print. Noble can lead this squad up the ladder. SA was dropped in Noble's lineup. Noble played the team he wanted to turn over StH. They did. It is time the sack noble thread was put to bed cos now it will not happen. To replace him at the end of the season would be a mistake. Silverware this year I think. Maybe prural :eusa3:
Jim