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BriH wrote: As President Obama said (or something like it) "Time for change and change we can".

Obviously takes his tips from Bob the Builder. "Can we build it? Yes we can!"

Dave

GeoffN wrote:

R Douglas wrote: I personally don't think Shaun Wane is the right man for the lead role...

A good coach gets the best out of the person/team he coaches, and I don't believe that this is currently happening, by some distance. Results are what count, and no one can be of the opinion that the current or previous season's results are anywhere near good enough.

You rather contradict yourself with those two paragraphs, bearing in mind the way the Reserves are playing, and the results Wane is getting with them.

Are you a journalist? Cutting and pasting paragraphs to make a story!

Getting results in the reserves is not the same as taking control of the Biggest Club in RL and giving it the shake up that it requires. We almost certainly will have to take a chance on someone, and I was simply stating that Shaun's example as a player (plenty of guts and ability, but poor preparation and discipline), is not what we currently need at he very top of our club.

That said (contradicitng again!?) I definitely agree that he could do a better job than Noble!

R Douglas wrote:

GeoffN wrote:

R Douglas wrote: I personally don't think Shaun Wane is the right man for the lead role...

A good coach gets the best out of the person/team he coaches, and I don't believe that this is currently happening, by some distance. Results are what count, and no one can be of the opinion that the current or previous season's results are anywhere near good enough.

You rather contradict yourself with those two paragraphs, bearing in mind the way the Reserves are playing, and the results Wane is getting with them.

Are you a journalist? Cutting and pasting paragraphs to make a story!

Didn't change the context, just cut the part that wasn't relevant to my point

Getting results in the reserves is not the same as taking control of the Biggest Club in RL and giving it the shake up that it requires. We almost certainly will have to take a chance on someone, and I was simply stating that Shaun's example as a player (plenty of guts and ability, but poor preparation and discipline), is not what we currently need at he very top of our club.

That said (contradicitng again!?) I definitely agree that he could do a better job than Noble!

True, but we've taken on coaches who have got results elsewhere at the top level: Nobby with the Bulls, Millward with Saints, etc, and that hasn't worked, so why not give a chance to someone who's proved he can work within our system to get results - of course it's a lower level than the first team, but by the same token he's not got the benefit of the same quality players.

let Shawn have a go at it

he is Wigan through and through and will
not take any shit from any one

GeoffN wrote:True, but we've taken on coaches who have got results elsewhere at the top level: Nobby with the Bulls, Millward with Saints, etc, and that hasn't worked, so why not give a chance to someone who's proved he can work within our system to get results - of course it's a lower level than the first team, but by the same token he's not got the benefit of the same quality players.

Some would argue that neither Millward or Noble knew how to build a squad which is what Wigan required at the time. Mick Potter springs to mind as a coach who has shown he can actually build a squad rather than just inherit one.

I think Wigan have gone beyond the time where they need a coach who can build a squad and need a coach who can get the best out of what they are given. Wigan have a lot of good players but they don't come together to form a good team.

DaveO wrote:

BriH wrote: As President Obama said (or something like it) "Time for change and change we can".

Obviously takes his tips from Bob the Builder. "Can we build it? Yes we can!"

Dave

No Dave Bobs phrase is "Can we fix it ?? Yes we can"

OAMJS wrote:let Shawn have a go at it

he is Wigan through and through and will
not take any shit from any one

I would love this to happen as hge would kick the dead wood out. BUT at present it wont happen due to his personal cercumstances and his roll with the lions and Wasps

MrDave wrote:

GeoffN wrote:True, but we've taken on coaches who have got results elsewhere at the top level: Nobby with the Bulls, Millward with Saints, etc, and that hasn't worked, so why not give a chance to someone who's proved he can work within our system to get results - of course it's a lower level than the first team, but by the same token he's not got the benefit of the same quality players.

Some would argue that neither Millward or Noble knew how to build a squad which is what Wigan required at the time. Mick Potter springs to mind as a coach who has shown he can actually build a squad rather than just inherit one.

I think Wigan have gone beyond the time where they need a coach who can build a squad and need a coach who can get the best out of what they are given. Wigan have a lot of good players but they don't come together to form a good team.

I think results show how true that is, we were better with the original squad Nobby inherited from Millward (with the addition of Dobson & Fielden) than we are now with what is entirely the team Nobby's built.

While Millward and Noble have not been good enough.Our squad is average at best and we need 6 players at least to compete for a top 2 finish

old hooker wrote:While Millward and Noble have not been good enough.Our squad is average at best and we need 6 players at least to compete for a top 2 finish

That's perhaps about right, but at present we need a massive improvement just to get up to "average" status.