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It's not a question of liking or disliking Ellery. As a player I rated Mike Forshaw more than many did. However, as a conditioner he is woeful. He is an ex player who flitted between various jobs in RL post playing some that had no connection with conditioning whatsoever. He seemed to just fall into becoming a conditioner. He is not overly qualified for the position.ellery 4 coach wrote:cpwigan wrote:Harry you will not get any argument from me that the potential is there. SL in 2009 is weaker than ever at the top with both Saints and Leeds in transition. The overall standard is probably better with wins having to be earned BUT no club/no team is under achieving more than Wigan because as you rightly say we have the players and if you compared Wigan v Warrington many of the Wire players were poorer or no better than their Wigan counterpart.
Something has to change. If it is the coach and backroom staff (especially Forshaw) then so be it but for whatever reason the big name players are letting Wigan RLFC down. you cannot pay players so much and get so little from them.
why do you dislike forshaw
Whereas we seem unable to do anything right with Feka.The foundation for this triumph was established by their forwards. Led by the ''Wild Thing'', Fuifui Moimoi, the Eels pack totally outmuscled and dominated their Newcastle opponents.
Moimoi has grown in stature over the years. Always a crowd favourite, the big man used to struggle to play extended periods in matches. He used to give in to fatigue too easily and was essentially used as a short-term shock tactic off the interchange bench. These days his motor is running on high-octane fuel and he regularly puts effort on top of effort in both attack and defence.
When he revved up and charged with the ball yesterday the Knights retreated.
Forshaw is the best move Warrington made, apart from their appointment of Tony Smith.ellery 4 coach wrote:cpwigan wrote:Harry you will not get any argument from me that the potential is there. SL in 2009 is weaker than ever at the top with both Saints and Leeds in transition. The overall standard is probably better with wins having to be earned BUT no club/no team is under achieving more than Wigan because as you rightly say we have the players and if you compared Wigan v Warrington many of the Wire players were poorer or no better than their Wigan counterpart.
Something has to change. If it is the coach and backroom staff (especially Forshaw) then so be it but for whatever reason the big name players are letting Wigan RLFC down. you cannot pay players so much and get so little from them.
why do you dislike forshaw
Excellent post Rich. Especially the bit I have highlighted.weststand-rich wrote:For me I I would settle for club consistency and rock solid direction. If we decide to stick with Brian Noble , fine, let's back him to the hilt and support his coaching choices. I might not like aspects of his coaching, but if the decision is made that he's our man I'll stick with him.
What worries me though is that our club is not consistent and you get the distinct impression that the club chairman and coach are operating like a push-me-pull-you in terms of overall direction.
Let's take for example, Youth Development. IL has publicly stated that it's insanity to pay top dollar for oversea stars that use up disproportionate salary cap at a rubbish AU$ exchange rate. That's a great strategy. I can see the genuine sense in that logic. In the shorter term we can reduce some aspects of the wage bill. Longer term, the overseas cap on quota players is reducing so now's the time to start blooding younger lads. If we're slightly at a disadvantage for a year or so, okay. A team with more home grown players will quiet the critics who call for more Wiganers in it, and we'll reep the longer term rewards compared to other teams more reliant on journeymen and older Aussies.
But while the chairman is publicly stating this defined club strategy, 3 months earlier he's off signing Martin Gleeson from Wire. A good player granted, but
what does this say? Hang on, are we buying players or growing players? We've just grown a young centre, number 3, Darryl Goulding? Which is it? Or is our strategy, mostly grow players, but buy at a whim and change direction whenever?