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Exiled Wiganer wrote:As with hansen, I wish him all the very best. He has given long and loyal service to our club. I hope he goes well at HKR.
Incidentally, the last centre HKR took a shine to was Mr Charnley. He is a very good centre.
Could we perhaps wait and see what players we have coming in before assuming the worst? Again, as with Hansen, whose exit was condemned for months on similar grounds, if we have a Bateman to bring in we'll be trading up.

Bateman has never been Hansen's replacement and his loss is now only adequately covered by Joel who will add the size and experience Bateman does not have. Bateman's going to be a great player but with him and Faz in the back row it has lacked size ever since Hansen went.

It's the same kind of story in the centres. We have players who can play there in the centres but they are not adequate replacements. We are weaker there then we have been for years and so given we have no idea if the club is going to recruit here all we can do is wait and hope we do recruit. Comments about being covered in the 3/4's suggest we won't which is a concern.

Exiled Wiganer wrote:Are we allowed to assume that Scott Taylor is staying now? Because he would be a huge loss.

We have supposedly taken up the option of the extra year but that means little. It could just be to secure a fee as it was with Hansen. I'd only relax on the Taylor issue if it was announced he had signed a new longer deal.

As you say, a big loss if we sell.

I'm just wondering how we're up to the cap if rumours of other players are true.

Green is going, apparently Taylor is off.

the lad we've signed from wakey surely can't be on a wedge. I know we've re-signed joel and maybe he's on reduced amount this year to stay under the cap and it may well go up next year, and also some young lads will get improved deals but even still.

finally if we given Bowen another year the. losing Daz is even worse. If there was an option to lose Bowen and have rocky and sarge for full back and keep Daz in the centres then that seems a better long term option than keeping Bowen for 1 more year. I rate Bowen btw but it's short term thinking if he stays and we lose others.

DaveO wrote:

Exiled Wiganer wrote:As with hansen, I wish him all the very best. He has given long and loyal service to our club. I hope he goes well at HKR.
Incidentally, the last centre HKR took a shine to was Mr Charnley. He is a very good centre.
Could we perhaps wait and see what players we have coming in before assuming the worst? Again, as with Hansen, whose exit was condemned for months on similar grounds, if we have a Bateman to bring in we'll be trading up.

Bateman has never been Hansen's replacement and his loss is now only adequately covered by Joel who will add the size and experience Bateman does not have. Bateman's going to be a great player but with him and Faz in the back row it has lacked size ever since Hansen went.

It's the same kind of story in the centres. We have players who can play there in the centres but they are not adequate replacements. We are weaker there then we have been for years and so given we have no idea if the club is going to recruit here all we can do is wait and hope we do recruit. Comments about being covered in the 3/4's suggest we won't which is a concern.

How is Bateman not Hansen's replacement when he plays in the same position?
On centres, we are in full agreements.
I am saying we should wait and see, though. As the season goes on, the impossibility of Sarg playing anywhere but 1 will become clear, imho (having seen him play since a bairn). Gelling and Thornley could be a vg combination, but we still need one more.

Rugby General Manager Kris Radlinski added:

"I would like to thank Darrell for everything he has given to the Wigan Club over the years. He was open and honest when we sat down to discuss his future and we respect that he has reached the stage in his career where he needs to try something different with a new challenge.

"The timing also works for us in that we have Dan Sarginson who is developing into a top class centre, plus Iain Thornley and Anthony Gelling vying for the other spot, whilst we also have young players such as Oliver Gildart ready to break into the First Team, all of which bodes well for 2015 and beyond.

Think Kris is slightly deluded. Thornley and perhaps Gildart are the type that can be moulded into the real thing but the other two, sheesh that is very depressing.

Exiled Wiganer wrote:

DaveO wrote:

Exiled Wiganer wrote:As with hansen, I wish him all the very best. He has given long and loyal service to our club. I hope he goes well at HKR.
Incidentally, the last centre HKR took a shine to was Mr Charnley. He is a very good centre.
Could we perhaps wait and see what players we have coming in before assuming the worst? Again, as with Hansen, whose exit was condemned for months on similar grounds, if we have a Bateman to bring in we'll be trading up.

Bateman has never been Hansen's replacement and his loss is now only adequately covered by Joel who will add the size and experience Bateman does not have. Bateman's going to be a great player but with him and Faz in the back row it has lacked size ever since Hansen went.

It's the same kind of story in the centres. We have players who can play there in the centres but they are not adequate replacements. We are weaker there then we have been for years and so given we have no idea if the club is going to recruit here all we can do is wait and hope we do recruit. Comments about being covered in the 3/4's suggest we won't which is a concern.

How is Bateman not Hansen's replacement when he plays in the same position?

Two reasons. One is Joel has been given the no 11 shirt and secondly just because he plays there doesn't mean he is an adequate replacement any more than any of our other centres are adequate replacements for Goulding. With Joel back Wane won't have to over-play Bateman as I believe he has been forced to do given injuries and the fact Clubb who was arguably THE direct replacement for Hansen proved not up to the job (much better at prop but not in the back row).

I can see Bateman being spelled with Faz and with Joel and Lockers with them that will be a much more effective back row set of forwards, as would have been one made up from Faz, Bateman, Hansen and Lockers.

I thought players at 26 were approaching their peak :conf: It is quite a sad departure IMO. I await the signing of Mick Nanyn or somebody from one of the lowest clubs in SL.

Rads is a yes man / a lacky. Plenty to say before being given a job, NOW nothing of merit.

CP I was talking to my Dad on Saturday who is a stains fan and I told him Goulding was supposed to be going and he said himself it seemed daft.

we then went through all the other teams and tried to think of a centre that we'd take that there was any chance of getting, I couldn't come up with 1 centre who we'd have an actual chance of getting that i'd take over Goulding and I don't think my dad could either.

So unless there's someone in the NRL i've never heard of I think we're definately weaker for losing him.

The good centre's we could come up with were:

Moon and Watkins (both no chance)
Evans at wire (no chance)
Cudjoe (very unlikely)
Shenton (no chance).

As it stands KR are gonna have better centres than us next year.

cpwigan wrote:I thought players at 26 were approaching their peak :conf: It is quite a sad departure IMO. I await the signing of Mick Nanyn or somebody from one of the lowest clubs in SL.

Rads is a yes man / a lacky. Plenty to say before being given a job, NOW nothing of merit.

Bit strong that CP, Rads is no yes man if there was a problem he'd say

Two reasons. One is Joel has been given the no 11 shirt and secondly just because he plays there doesn't mean he is an adequate replacement any more than any of our other centres are adequate replacements for Goulding. With Joel back Wane won't have to over-play Bateman as I believe he has been forced to do given injuries and the fact Clubb who was arguably THE direct replacement for Hansen proved not up to the job (much better at prop but not in the back row).

I can see Bateman being spelled with Faz and with Joel and Lockers with them that will be a much more effective back row set of forwards, as would have been one made up from Faz, Bateman, Hansen and Lockers.

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It is off the point, but i adopt a different approach. When considering who has replaced Player X, i look at who plays in their position. Which is Bateman, who is an absolutely superb signing. Indeed, as the Young Player of the Year in 2012, he was a marquee signing. He also cost a transfer fee. Even further off the point, he doesn't often get mentioned in these threads to illustrate how IL is driving the club into the ground.