Re: Blind faith or realist?

[Kaii]

Keep the faith :exc:

:eusa2:

The blind man has been exposed!!!
How unsurprising?!

CP has made an clear attempt to change his posting habits, without being insulting he's gone from an annoying poster to pleasant one who has no problem chatting about any subject.

As someone previously said "whoosh" maybe sarcasm has gone over my head but i'd prefer this new and likable CP is how it was meant

[Wandering Warrior]

:eusa2:

The blind man has been exposed!!!
How unsurprising?!

CP has made an clear attempt to change his posting habits, without being insulting he's gone from an annoying poster to pleasant one who has no problem chatting about any subject.

As someone previously said "whoosh" maybe sarcasm has gone over my head but i'd prefer this new and likable CP is how it was meant

Can't say his posts were insulting to anyone tbh, very informative, yes.
You have a dig yourself so you should learn to take it.
In a nice way I love the simple naivety of some of your posts.
From a personal point of view we'll do well to achieve second place as I see it.
When it comes to the play offs there are certain players who need to switch on and get the monkey out of their heads. At the moment our three quarters are average at best as a unit and that won't change this year I'm afraid.

[medlocke]

:eusa2:

The blind man has been exposed!!!
How unsurprising?!

CP has made an clear attempt to change his posting habits, without being insulting he's gone from an annoying poster to pleasant one who has no problem chatting about any subject.

As someone previously said "whoosh" maybe sarcasm has gone over my head but i'd prefer this new and likable CP is how it was meant

Enjoy it while it lasts

[thegimble]

The blind man has been exposed!!!
How unsurprising?!

CP has made an clear attempt to change his posting habits, without being insulting he's gone from an annoying poster to pleasant one who has no problem chatting about any subject.

As someone previously said "whoosh" maybe sarcasm has gone over my head but i'd prefer this new and likable CP is how it was meant

Enjoy it while it lasts

Or until the real CP gets his account back from the hacker.

[x Wigan Warrior x]

Doom n gloom .... Look at the table we sit second (I know castleford still to play) and look at the teams around us ... All stitting in the same position as us but we have better Defence and attack. I know tables don't tell the whole truth but it tells us that other teams are playing just as poor. "Missed opportunities" that should be the tag line for this season even if we get to the grand final, which by the way I think we will. We have all been saying it for a few seasons now that finishing top is not the goal of many clubs, "let's do it the Leeds way" is how things have been conducted lately, and It shows in the attitude of games and coaches IMO phoney reactions and statements to losses. Nathan wants a trophy in fact he needs that shield to keep his job IMO and that's one of the reason saints have battled hard for it.

I will judge at the end of the season and play offs ...... Guess I'm a realist with a splash of optimism and a dash of conspiracist

So SL is garbage and we are just as bad?

I think that is an accurate assessment if that is what you think.

More to the song of SL is average and we are fitting in with the trend

[Panchitta Marra]

Iestyn Harris ?

Why was Harris record with Wales in the World cup so very poor.
The teams Wales faced weren't world beaters by any means. Italy, USA and Fiji.
I have seen nothing in Harris that makes me think that he is or has been a good coach, but I haven't studied him like others maybe have.

Salford have improved significantly under his coaching IMO and more importantly (to me anyhow) I have seen 2 very nice adaptations / variations of the 2nd man play. Strikes me that he is a very good club coach working day in / day out with his players rather than a rep coach and his attacking plays indicate a clever mind.

To be honest I couldn't see him being successful even if he was coaching Madges best ever select Wigan team. But thats my opinion.
I can't rate the bloke as I have seen nothing consistent with him wherever he has been fully in charge of a team.
I still think be has a long way to go to even get any recognition as a good club coach at Salford.
You obviously see more in Harris as a coach than I do and I understand that as your opinion.

[cpwigan]

Here is a stat that proves the theory of latteral attack and constant 2nd man plays that high risk game plan were by ball retention is an after thought.

Dumb tactics.

Widnes staring prop forwards made 173 meters yesterday.

Wigan's 62....62 meters what is all that about?

27 carries to 10. It's no wonder the completion of our sets was poor.

This is why I am a realist, the tactics won't change IMO. In a competition where the opposition is poor we are over complicating things far too often and not completing sets.

Good to see somebody else grasped what I have grown tired of repeatedly stating. Wane ball makes front rowers look awful and week after week you will get posters posting saying our forwards are poop, no go forward. Webcke / Ward / Platt / Roach whomever would look poop playing Wane ball.

Wane ball defies the basic philosophy of RL, you go forward BEFORE you go wide / lateral. You make the opposition have to tackle big and/or powerful forwards (front rowers) so that when the opposition do get the ball, their big forwards have had to expend energy doing the hard defensive stuff and have less energy to put into going forward. Our forwards end up looking less fit, more tired (THEY ARE NOT) whilst the opposition forwards look fit and fresh (WANE BALL!)

Surely, the players need to be standing up at meetings and questioning Wane Ball. They should be because 1). It exerts an incredibly amount of unnecessary toll upon their bodies 2). It makes winning far harder than it need be. Wane Ball = trying to play RL with your hands tied behind your back and/or your feet tied together.

The best thing that can happen is that it pours down non stop throughout the play offs and forces Wigan to play wet weather RL instead of Wane Ball.

Doug Laughton filled a team full of fantastic attackers at Widnes and still lateral RL failed far more than it succeeded. OUR team is far less suited to lateral RL than that great Widnes team were. A great Widnes team that fell more often than not to John Monie and an Australasian philosophy.

I can understand the young lads being too reluctant to speak out BUT it is up to the likes of Lockers (Wane ball is prematurely ending his career BTW), Micky Mac, Matty Smith, Matty Bowen and Greeny to speak up. Seniority brings responsibility to your team mates.

[cpwigan]

Why was Harris record with Wales in the World cup so very poor.
The teams Wales faced weren't world beaters by any means. Italy, USA and Fiji.
I have seen nothing in Harris that makes me think that he is or has been a good coach, but I haven't studied him like others maybe have.

Salford have improved significantly under his coaching IMO and more importantly (to me anyhow) I have seen 2 very nice adaptations / variations of the 2nd man play. Strikes me that he is a very good club coach working day in / day out with his players rather than a rep coach and his attacking plays indicate a clever mind.

To be honest I couldn't see him being successful even if he was coaching Madges best ever select Wigan team. But thats my opinion.
I can't rate the bloke as I have seen nothing consistent with him wherever he has been fully in charge of a team.
I still think be has a long way to go to even get any recognition as a good club coach at Salford.
You obviously see more in Harris as a coach than I do and I understand that as your opinion.

Time will tell. Any coach at Salford will have little excuse in the current era. The appointment of Noble proved a bigger disaster than anticipated but 2015 will be a clean slate of his own making. Powell / Cas have shown that so much can be achieved with far less.

[cpwigan]

It is depressing to see Wigan underachieve through IMO their own stupidity. It matters not what the sport is you still have to achieve essentials in every game to produce the cherry on the cake!

If you do not go forward and put the opposition on the back foot there is simply no point going sideways. It becomes counter productive. Sporting self harm!

Nothing will change under Wane. He believes he knows best which was reflected in his arrogant comment re Maguire's Wigan and how he would do better.

I wish fans could see a comparison of how much effort / energy our players have to use win or lose compared to the opposition. I suggest our players even winning games do FAR FAR more work than the opposing team / players. Hence, the continued glut of mistakes and penalties conceded match after match. FATIGUE = ERRORS = LOSSES. In SL every other club runs a half marathon whereas Wigan run a full marathon!

I will be doing a rain dance come the play offs.

[Panchitta Marra]

Salford have improved significantly under his coaching IMO and more importantly (to me anyhow) I have seen 2 very nice adaptations / variations of the 2nd man play. Strikes me that he is a very good club coach working day in / day out with his players rather than a rep coach and his attacking plays indicate a clever mind.

To be honest I couldn't see him being successful even if he was coaching Madges best ever select Wigan team. But thats my opinion.
I can't rate the bloke as I have seen nothing consistent with him wherever he has been fully in charge of a team.
I still think be has a long way to go to even get any recognition as a good club coach at Salford.
You obviously see more in Harris as a coach than I do and I understand that as your opinion.

Time will tell. Any coach at Salford will have little excuse in the current era. The appointment of Noble proved a bigger disaster than anticipated but 2015 will be a clean slate of his own making. Powell / Cas have shown that so much can be achieved with far less.

As you say, time will tell.
Powell, I do agree he is an excellent coach, and currently streets ahead of Harris in my opinion.