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hayley 04 posted:
Just like your entitled to your opinions. My opinion is Long is a dirty player and if you think he is so marvellous why don't you go and join the st helens forum coz you obviously think more of there players than you do your own. You never have anything positive to say about any of ours. It's pick, pick, pick constantly.It's negativity all the time and I don't just mean over Danny Orr, although, your're not even big enough to say well done when he has been playing well.

Ignore them all Hayley!! Please, please please keep these incredible posts coming in!! You are truly from another planet!! I haven't laughed so much in ages!!

I can't get over what a comedian you think you are! People like you and doveoverdave will always stick together. Well i suppose someone's got to agree with the rubbish he posts

hayley 04 posted:
Well Mrs Lam who actually played well on Friday night? Nobody as far as I can remember. I'm struggling to find a man of the match. So it wasn't just Danny but the other 16 men on the park aswell.

Why all the negativity Hayley?


I thought Newton was out to try and hurt someone on Friday night. The way he went in against Gilmour was that he was going to hurt him after Gilmour fended Terry off in his face. Gilmour was falling as Newton came in though so I think he will get away with it for that.

As for the Long incident I have not seen a replay other than on the big screen, will somebody please describe it for me. All I saw was Newton go for the ball carrier and Long got in the way and got crunched between his own player, I don't see what Newton did wrong here, if anything Long obstructed him.

Rob, The tackle on long.
Long has the ball and offloads as Newton shoulder charges him, long doesnt have the ball at the time, Newton does seem committed but its pretty obvious he goes in with intent to hurt him and as he falls it looks like long collides with his own player. Newtons shoulder connects with longs jaw/face. The slap on the head afterwards is completely un-called for by Newton. I'd say Newton was committed
but the fact he looks as though he intends to hurt him could be a deciding factor.

it looked like shoulder first and then elbow to me so i suspect terry will be in big sh*t. he did look like he wanted to hurt long and he was also looking for some one else as cunningham scored one of his triesinstead of tackling the ball carrier

robjoenz posted:

hayley 04 posted:
Well Mrs Lam who actually played well on Friday night? Nobody as far as I can remember. I'm struggling to find a man of the match. So it wasn't just Danny but the other 16 men on the park aswell.

Why all the negativity Hayley?


I thought Newton was out to try and hurt someone on Friday night. The way he went in against Gilmour was that he was going to hurt him after Gilmour fended Terry off in his face. Gilmour was falling as Newton came in though so I think he will get away with it for that.

As for the Long incident I have not seen a replay other than on the big screen, will somebody please describe it for me. All I saw was Newton go for the ball carrier and Long got in the way and got crunched between his own player, I don't see what Newton did wrong here, if anything Long obstructed him.

This is the price of having Terry in the team. Personally I think that up to now it has been worth paying as I feel teams benefit from having an "enforcer". Players like Tallis, Morley and Newton fall into this catagory and back up their hard man image with immense talent. I have no time for nutters who just want to maim people.

However last night performance from Newton fell into the lattrer catagory. The Gilmour incident was bad, but the foul occurred during the execution of a tackle - these things happen when Newton is in your team.

The Long foul is altogether different as it happened off the ball and only 5m from our try line. His mindset was to hurt Long and to hell with defending the try line. He then "congratulated" Long with a patronising pat on the head as he sat nursing his wound on the floor.

When Cunningham remonstrated with him he wanted to fight again this time with KC. KC had other things on his mind and promptly scored while TN just seethed and stood moitonless, again not carrying out his defensive duties.

So having stirred up the hornets TN contributed exactly nothing more to the game. He must have complained to Milly, Lam, Betts, Farrer or who ever complaining of an "injured hip". Sat in the stands and let the Saints pack batter or young forwards and denying the Saints team any chance of retribution against him. In other words he went missing.

Absolutely gutless.

He will get 6-10 matches and deservedly so. He has condemmend Wigan (unless he moves on) to start the new season under strength.
Thanks.

A meaningless match for Wigan, he could of cruised the next fortnight and spent the rest of the year on a beach nursing his hip, contemplating the season ahead. He hasn't got the brains he was born with - what a pudding!

Doveoverdave posted:

He will get 6-10 matches and deservedly so. He has condemmend Wigan (unless he moves on) to start the new season under strength.

I seriously doubt he will get so many, he'll get 3 if he's unlucky; whether he deserves it or not!

The incident with Gilmore was put on report but i can't see Terry getting a heafty ban for it, I watched the aussie rugby the following morning there was a tackle made with a swinging arm to the head, The ref just gave a penalty and said "Don't do that again you bad boy",
In the evening i watched Andrew Johns v Leeds, Barrie Mac hit young Gleeson with a swinging arm to the head, again the ref gave a penalty and said don't do that again, What is the difference in the newton tackle?,
As far as Long goes Newton wanted to hurt him ( pay back for the shove earlier ) but i did not see the ref put it on report, So unless Stains complain i feel terry will get off scott free, and for me the Long attack was far worse than the Gilmore tackle,

Dawber posted:
The incident with Gilmore was put on report but i can't see Terry getting a heafty ban for it, I watched the aussie rugby the following morning there was a tackle made with a swinging arm to the head, The ref just gave a penalty and said "Don't do that again you bad boy",
In the evening i watched Andrew Johns v Leeds, Barrie Mac hit young Gleeson with a swinging arm to the head, again the ref gave a penalty and said don't do that again, What is the difference in the newton tackle?,

Probably none at all. It would be difficult to prove whether Gilmour suffered more from Terry's arm or from the speed at which his head hit the ground. Whilst the latter was very likely influenced by Terry, he may well have hit the ground hard in this tackle anyway with similar results. There was, after all, already players in the tackle trying to bring him down. Newton's swinging arm was penalised during the game, if it were so bad why didn't he also get 10 minutes in the bin?

As far as Long goes Newton wanted to hurt him ( pay back for the shove earlier ) but i did not see the ref put it on report, So unless Stains complain i feel terry will get off scott free, and for me the Long attack was far worse than the Gilmore tackle,

The ref didn't see it otherwise it was a penalty straight away (either to them for Long being taken out illegally or to us for an obstruction caused by Long and Farsawhatsit colliding with each other). Saints have to ask the panel to look at the incident, and if they do then hopefully they will look at this at full-speed, which will show Newton was really no later than the likes of Hooper when taking out kickers. These never get penalised for being late, and I'm certain Newton was equally committed to taking out Long. The main issue is with his arm/shoulder/elbow/whatever he's led with, and that would be justified reason for a ban. He clearly wasn't going to attempt any kind of legal tackle, and the league should take action to try and get the message into his head that his technique is not acceptable.

Just out of interest, can anyone remember who was banned and for how long in the two (or was it three?) incidents in the past where Brett Dallas got his face reshaped and led to metal plates being fitted to his cheeks? I certainly don't remember the same amount of reaction back then, but Newton wasn't involved so probably nobody cared.

Dawber posted:
...I watched the aussie rugby the following morning there was a tackle made with a swinging arm to the head, The ref just gave a penalty and said Don't do that again you bad boy

If it's the same decision I am thinking about it shouldn't have been a penalty at all, Dykes slipped as the tackler was moving in, he caught him in the face because of the slip he went low enough.

A worse tackle that Mander missed was up ending Hindmarsh early on in the game.