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Hes about 21 maybe 22. Has scored 51 tries in 45 games. I know he played in Div 1 RU but still a good record. You cannot train pace its natural and we should have realised this instead of letting him go.

Attitudes can be changed by managing, especially at a young age. He needs a club role model.

Id have the lad back,

Great support player always there to finins a move, quick, defense could have got better since being away and could be taught by the coaching staff at Wigan,

If he wants to come back he will surley know that he will take a hugh drop in wages and with hat in mind you would think he has grown up a little,

Like someone said Sean long has a poor attitude but you cant argue with the tallent,

If Rads can get Mathers sorted he can get anyone sorted!!

Would be a young signing for the future, like pollard keeps saying about KP.

slimshady wrote:Chris Ashton was better than most of our current back line, dont think he had a bad attitude neither, what evidance is there. Was this not the smoke screen that was spread by the then board after he turned down what was quite frankly a derisory contract offer, and I for one do not believe anyone on here would not, under the same circumstances do exactly the same. DW and ML cocked up by trying to get him on the cheap when they were prepared to pay other players like Vaeleki more money.

No because he continued to get picked after signing, his performances went down hill and his total lack of desire was written all over his face.

Even the vast majority of fans on the Northampton page think he's a prima donna, weak in defence and very indecisive and thats after he was their star last season (although many claim a lot of the tries he scored could have been scored by anyone against a non-existant defence). There's even the suggestion that he should be loaned out to a lower division club.

slimshady wrote:Chris Ashton was better than most of our current back line, dont think he had a bad attitude neither, what evidance is there. Was this not the smoke screen that was spread by the then board after he turned down what was quite frankly a derisory contract offer, and I for one do not believe anyone on here would not, under the same circumstances do exactly the same. DW and ML cocked up by trying to get him on the cheap when they were prepared to pay other players like Vaeleki more money.

I can assure you Chris Ashton did have a very bad attitude problem. He went from being a nice young lad to a petulant little sod. Yes, he got the player of the season from the riversiders supporters and it was after that he changed. He felt that he was too 'big' to associate with the fans, the very fans who voted for him. He became very cocky and would strut in front of the supporters when attending the reserve games as if he was the bees knees. Yes he had a talent but like a lot of players who think they have made it cos they are in the first team, they start to rest on their laurels its as if " Well thats it, I've made it, I can play well when I want, I don't have to try no more, I'm in the first team at WIGAN" They just got too big for their boots.
A lot of our young players got this attitude and their performances suddenly went to pot. The club then got rid, some went to lower division clubs and found they HAD to play well all the time, they suddenly realised what they had lost and that is how come the likes of Sean Long, Kevin Brown Danny Tickle and Luke Robinson where lost to this great club of ours and improved their game for their new clubs cos they had to.

As for the derisory contract offer, his agent is Andy Clarke, and he wanted to line his pockets more than look after the welfare of his client. He tried to boost Chris' salary far higher than what he actually deserved. He wanted him on as much as the senior players! This for a young 20 year old who had had ONE good season. If the club had given in and given the crazy amount as was bandied about and he then fell flat on his face you would be the first to criticise the club for paying over the odds for a one season player who didn't live up to the hype second season syndrome I think they call it.

if the likes of ashton,long,tickle,robinson etc.were all got shut of because of there attitudes then that to me says that those that run the club are at fault for not knowing how to deal with it.i seem to remember edwards and hanley(or so i was rumoured) having run in's with the club and were subsquently dropped in a show that you are not bigger than the club,we have to learn how to deal with young players attitudes because they will always go through good and bad attitudes.

josie andrews wrote:

slimshady wrote:Chris Ashton was better than most of our current back line, dont think he had a bad attitude neither, what evidance is there. Was this not the smoke screen that was spread by the then board after he turned down what was quite frankly a derisory contract offer, and I for one do not believe anyone on here would not, under the same circumstances do exactly the same. DW and ML cocked up by trying to get him on the cheap when they were prepared to pay other players like Vaeleki more money.

I can assure you Chris Ashton did have a very bad attitude problem. He went from being a nice young lad to a petulant little sod. Yes, he got the player of the season from the riversiders supporters and it was after that he changed. He felt that he was too 'big' to associate with the fans, the very fans who voted for him. He became very cocky and would strut in front of the supporters when attending the reserve games as if he was the bees knees. Yes he had a talent but like a lot of players who think they have made it cos they are in the first team, they start to rest on their laurels its as if " Well thats it, I've made it, I can play well when I want, I don't have to try no more, I'm in the first team at WIGAN" They just got too big for their boots.
A lot of our young players got this attitude and their performances suddenly went to pot. The club then got rid, some went to lower division clubs and found they HAD to play well all the time, they suddenly realised what they had lost and that is how come the likes of Sean Long, Kevin Brown Danny Tickle and Luke Robinson where lost to this great club of ours and improved their game for their new clubs cos they had to.

As for the derisory contract offer, his agent is Andy Clarke, and he wanted to line his pockets more than look after the welfare of his client. He tried to boost Chris' salary far higher than what he actually deserved. He wanted him on as much as the senior players! This for a young 20 year old who had had ONE good season. If the club had given in and given the crazy amount as was bandied about and he then fell flat on his face you would be the first to criticise the club for paying over the odds for a one season player who didn't live up to the hype second season syndrome I think they call it.

Good post Josie. Maybe he needed someone to mother him

Robinson didnt have an attitude problem, Dennis betts did, Gregory was his hero and stuck up for him, so when Gregory went, Betts to the first oppertunity to send him out on loan to Cas, his position in the team was untenable with betts as head coach, so he had to leave...

Robinson was given the boot because he made an awful blunder discipline wise. It was more to do with releasing information than physical behaviour IIRC.

yeah he had a massive bust up with Betts

I have some vague memory that Robinson was implicated in the Pongia situation??

In any case, Ashton had a good first season but the second . I have serious doubts that the lad has the right mentality and for me would be 'no' at the moment.
I still dont know why people go on about Robinson/Brown et al, they're not bad players but surely not the standard we should have at Wigan :doz: