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One the post made last night regardinh lului it says he and Barret will be teaming up at half backs,

So i presume the Barret deal is done and it sayed he will be arriving in the new year,

Barratt is due in over the next couple of days could be flying now as we speak

jaws1 posted:
Are Bailey and Barret not coming to Wigan looking at the official site first team squad the 3 new signings yesterday are in the squad but no Barret or Bailey??

Yes Barrett and Bailey are still coming they are listed in 2007 signings, Millard, Whithers and LeuLuai have just been put on the squad page to save time later.

I still think that Wigan need another prop but it seems less likely now because if they had found a new prop they would have announced it with the other players.

I'm not too bothered about the signings for Withers, Millard and LeuLuai, they all have their down sides but LeuLeia is young and talented, Millards is exepriance and offers something differant from hooker and Withers is a good utility. I hope that the signing of Withers and Millard is not going to get in the way of some of the young players, Ashton should not be replaced at Full Back and Goulding or Gleeson should be given a chance at Centre sometime next season, all I would like to see Michael Mcilorum get some games next season as a possible replacement for Millard in one or two years.

Just got over the bad cricket loss and now all the negativity in this thread. Where's the noose I'll haqng myself now

Couple of points:
1 - why the surprise over so many overseas players? Look at Nobby's track record at Bradford. Not exactly a GB friendly squad was it? He's going to use the same recipe for success has used at Bradford.

2 - Regarding the ML comment about over 30's. OK this comment was made a few years ago when 30 was pretty much a bench mark for past your prime. With todays training, fitness and dietery regimes, 30 is by no way past your prime. How many people have said they would have Faz back if he left union? But if I remember correctly he's 31, will be 32 in May. Is he past it, plus he's injury prone.

I just hope our players aren't reading this site, they'll think they're going down before a ball is kicked with all this negativity.

I am choosing to reserve judgement until we actually start playing. I think Nobby has created cover in a number of positions given the salary cap situation, assuming these signings aren't going to break that.
There are a couple of key positions we hope we don't get injury in, but most clubs have this dilema with the salary cap situation.

Couldn't have said it better!

AndyLaw posted:
Just got over the bad cricket loss and now all the negativity in this thread. Where's the noose I'll haqng myself now

Couple of points:
1 - why the surprise over so many overseas players? Look at Nobby's track record at Bradford. Not exactly a GB friendly squad was it? He's going to use the same recipe for success has used at Bradford.

2 - Regarding the ML comment about over 30's. OK this comment was made a few years ago when 30 was pretty much a bench mark for past your prime. With todays training, fitness and dietery regimes, 30 is by no way past your prime. How many people have said they would have Faz back if he left union? But if I remember correctly he's 31, will be 32 in May. Is he past it, plus he's injury prone.

I just hope our players aren't reading this site, they'll think they're going down before a ball is kicked with all this negativity.

I am choosing to reserve judgement until we actually start playing. I think Nobby has created cover in a number of positions given the salary cap situation, assuming these signings aren't going to break that.
There are a couple of key positions we hope we don't get injury in, but most clubs have this dilema with the salary cap situation.

AndyLaw posted:
Couple of points:
1 - why the surprise over so many overseas players? Look at Nobby's track record at Bradford. Not exactly a GB friendly squad was it? He's going to use the same recipe for success has used at Bradford.

In which case I won't be renewing my season ticket if it becomes policy at the club to run with 9 or 10 overseas players and if the GB coach has that policy at club level he has no right doing either job IMO.

We are supposed to have a renowned production line of players but if we have to "do a Wakefield" and sign 30 something overseas players there is something seriously wrong somewhere. It is a complete waste of time, money and effort to run such an academy set up if you are going to give the first team slots to 30 year old overseas players on a regular basis. It is also unfair on the lads in the academy because there path will be blocked and they would be better off choosing a career outside of RL because at 21 they will be show the door in favour on a Withers clone.

Saints won the the lot with about 6 overseas players.

2 - Regarding the ML comment about over 30's. OK this comment was made a few years ago when 30 was pretty much a bench mark for past your prime. With todays training, fitness and dietery regimes, 30 is by no way past your prime. How many people have said they would have Faz back if he left union? But if I remember correctly he's 31, will be 32 in May. Is he past it, plus he's injury prone.

The are players and players! Withera and Millard are at best good club men. Farrell won MoS and Golden boot in his last season for the club and is a different class. He is also British.

Signing good club men of age 30 is a poor show regardless of how fit they are but in any case it is widely accepted that Withers does not have the pace he had and that Millard is actually just a pretty poor player.

I think Nobby has created cover in a number of positions given the salary cap situation, assuming these signings aren't going to break that.
There are a couple of key positions we hope we don't get injury in, but most clubs have this dilema with the salary cap situation.

No they don't. Name me one club that has only two recognised SL standard prop forwards? Most clubs have a reserve half back who can cover for a couple of games. We used to be one when we had the likes of Robinson and going further back Murdoch. Not the best players but better than our current reserve half backs.

The problem is Withers provides cover we don't need.

Dave

Reading through the posts it is the general consensus that we have made the wrong signings for a number of reasons.

Now and this includes me, will we all stand by what we say now if for any reason these players perform?

Wigan Watcher posted:
Now and this includes me, will we all stand by what we say now if for any reason these players perform?

Yes because it isn't just about performance. It is about the make up of the team and the implications of the kind of signing policy that has led us to sign some of these players.

For example regardless of how Withers and Millard do for us it will be a good day when they leave this club if they are replaced by British players.

Dave

Wigan Watcher posted:
Reading through the posts it is the general consensus that we have made the wrong signings for a number of reasons.

Now and this includes me, will we all stand by what we say now if for any reason these players perform?

Whilst the nationality of the players is not as important to me as it is to some people - I do agree that we should try and keep as many local players as possible - without sacrificing quality.

As for standing by what I've said:

Neither Millard or Withers is going to suddenly become a world beater - especially not at this stage of their careers (although the same could be said of Orr) and so competence is probably the best we can expect from either of them.

Leuluai is a slightly different matter. If he becomes the next Stacey Jones then all well and good - when he plays I am sure he will be more than capable. My concern for him is that he is 21 and has already missed 1 1/2 seasons through injury. We don't need another import warming the treatment bench. So unless he is very lucky - or can mystically change his constitution he could be a worry

Totally agree with you on this one, I fear injuries are going to play apart for all three players for different reasons.

On paper bad buys and on this ground alone we should not have bought them.